Worst firearms maker?
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tegemu
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Somekid, is Smith & Wesson on your list for political reasons that no longer exist or have been rectified? The current company is 180 degrees out from the company that sparked a boycott by many gunners.
The Jackal
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John-Melb said:
ROTFL!
Malapai
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Jennings will win this thread.
apxpred
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Another vote for ruger
etex
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Jennings/Bryco j22 is a sorry excuse for a firearm. FTF's,FTE's you name it
it comes with a variety of malfunctions. Yes I bought one for $45 new 15 years ago and I havent come across a better definition for crap since. But if if I ever come across a buyback I will gladly let them have it and use the $ for a down payment on a functional firearm!
it comes with a variety of malfunctions. Yes I bought one for $45 new 15 years ago and I havent come across a better definition for crap since. But if if I ever come across a buyback I will gladly let them have it and use the $ for a down payment on a functional firearm!
Justin
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Thanks to the free market, the list of truly bad firearms makers is exceedingly short.
Stiletto Null
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Kennyboy, have you ever actually fired a Hi Point carbine? 
The Beretta Storm's ergonomics are depressing. Doesn't fit me at all. I don't care how inherently accurate it is, if I can't shoulder it comfortably, it sucks. And I'm not the only one with that complaint. And even if you CAN shoulder it comfortably, the bottom of the grip attacks your hand if you try to slap a magazine home.
The Ruger carbine...blecch. As an HD gun, it's too long. And it's not particularly accurate.
Bushmaster...at $800, I could drop another $100 and get a Rock River Entry Tactical carbine. A pistol carbine is a big pistol. A 16" AR is an actual rifle, especially loaded up with proper ammo.
Hi Point carbines are inexpensive, reliable, and weirdly accurate. For the price of their competitors, I could get "a lot" of decent hollow point ammunition to go along with a carbine which would reliable feed said ammunition. And a decent reflex sight to go along with. And a flashlight and roll of high-quality flashlight. TUBARed up and ready to go, before I could even get my dealer to order one of the other options (he requires full payment in advance...smart man).
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Jennings. That 9mm was kinda fun (guy at the range was messing around with one), but malf drills get boring after a while.
The Beretta Storm's ergonomics are depressing. Doesn't fit me at all. I don't care how inherently accurate it is, if I can't shoulder it comfortably, it sucks. And I'm not the only one with that complaint. And even if you CAN shoulder it comfortably, the bottom of the grip attacks your hand if you try to slap a magazine home.
The Ruger carbine...blecch. As an HD gun, it's too long. And it's not particularly accurate.
Bushmaster...at $800, I could drop another $100 and get a Rock River Entry Tactical carbine. A pistol carbine is a big pistol. A 16" AR is an actual rifle, especially loaded up with proper ammo.
Hi Point carbines are inexpensive, reliable, and weirdly accurate. For the price of their competitors, I could get "a lot" of decent hollow point ammunition to go along with a carbine which would reliable feed said ammunition. And a decent reflex sight to go along with. And a flashlight and roll of high-quality flashlight. TUBARed up and ready to go, before I could even get my dealer to order one of the other options (he requires full payment in advance...smart man).
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Jennings. That 9mm was kinda fun (guy at the range was messing around with one), but malf drills get boring after a while.
Plumber576
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I hate saying this, but I'm getting sick of their crap towards the American market. I'm getting pissed at HK. I only own HK handguns, and I LOVE thie .45's, but I HATE their marketing and attitude towards the American public. It makes me so angry, becasue there is a market BEYOND ready for their products. GIVE US THE P3000! Let's see a production HK 45! Decide if youare based in Alabama or Virgiinia! OPEN YOUR PLANT IN GEORIGA AND GIVE US A CIVI G-36! GIVE US A HK416!
That's a rant.
Other than that I might add HI-Point pistols.
P.S. I Love HK Products.
That's a rant.
Other than that I might add HI-Point pistols.
P.S. I Love HK Products.
rangerruck
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phoenix firearms. about 12 safeties per 5 ounces of steel. Also Bill C is crazy.
I'd have to go with Jennings, and Bryco Jennings.
I had a bryco jennings nine that cut the heck out of my hand, had to redesign the sear to even make it work, it had a pin that would work loose after about a mag or so.
also would go back togeather three different ways, two of which didn't allow it to function.
I hate to defend the raven, but I got ahold of one of there stainless .25s a while back, the firing pin was broken, so it was almost a free gun. took it to the lathe, and inserted a piece of drill stock to replace the broken part, gave it to a budy and he's had nothing but nice things to say about it since. stainless actually had some decent tolerences and weight behind it.
I also have to step to defend intratec, yeah alot of there stuff was crap from the factory, but most of it can be fixed with a little love, and they can be wicked fun, its just a toy, not a serious weapon.
I had a bryco jennings nine that cut the heck out of my hand, had to redesign the sear to even make it work, it had a pin that would work loose after about a mag or so.
also would go back togeather three different ways, two of which didn't allow it to function.
I hate to defend the raven, but I got ahold of one of there stainless .25s a while back, the firing pin was broken, so it was almost a free gun. took it to the lathe, and inserted a piece of drill stock to replace the broken part, gave it to a budy and he's had nothing but nice things to say about it since. stainless actually had some decent tolerences and weight behind it.
I also have to step to defend intratec, yeah alot of there stuff was crap from the factory, but most of it can be fixed with a little love, and they can be wicked fun, its just a toy, not a serious weapon.
MagnumCaliber357
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Plumber576, GIVE ME ten million dollars in used 20's and ten's......
can't always get what you want
However, a G36-S would look awfully nice in my gunsafe
can't always get what you want However, a G36-S would look awfully nice in my gunsafe
CROSSCUT. no offense taken. when i buy a firearm i usually i put several hundred rounds through it. if it chokes and the customer svc of that manufacturer chokes then i hold a grudge against that maker. WE pay far to
much money to have to buy garbage.
take care and keep the faith,
FISI
much money to have to buy garbage.
take care and keep the faith,
FISI
White Horseradish
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From practical experience I have learned that the best gun is the one you have in hand when you need it. At $800 your superior rifles might as well not exist as far as I am concerned. Let me rephrase this, just so you understand: It does not matter how good a firearm is if the closest that I'm going to get to it is a picture in a catalogue.kennyboy said:
Now, if the $600 that makes the difference between a Hi-Point and a Bushmaster is not a big deal to you, I accept donations.
Daniel T
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kennyboy said:
Inferior in what way? Cost? Yeah, you got them there.
If a gun is reasonably accurate and fires every time you pull the trigger, then it will only be inferior in the eyes of the worst kind of gun snob.
I think your problem seems to be the price point, because that allows "those" kind of people to own firearms.
I'm not "High Point people", as I don't even own one. I do wonder though: what kind of person disparages someone for owning the best that they can afford?
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This kind of thread is pretty pointless, because the type of answers you get are going to be solely based on an individual's point-of-view, which may or may not have any relation to reality.
Carl N. Brown
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This is all about personal opinion and point of view.
A friend has a Hi-Point 9mm carbine.
I have an Auto Ordnance TM1 .45 carbine.
His is plastic and sheet metal, ugly as sin, shots reliably and
accurately, is fun to shoot and cost under 180.00
Mine is blue steel and walnut ("As God Intended"), nice looking,
shots reliably and accurately, is fun to shoot and cost over 750.00
His would make a better home defense weapon (easier to handle).
Mine is a replica of a historic gun.
Bottom line: both are fun to shoot. Isn't that all that matters
to most of ys?
A friend has a Hi-Point 9mm carbine.
I have an Auto Ordnance TM1 .45 carbine.
His is plastic and sheet metal, ugly as sin, shots reliably and
accurately, is fun to shoot and cost under 180.00
Mine is blue steel and walnut ("As God Intended"), nice looking,
shots reliably and accurately, is fun to shoot and cost over 750.00
His would make a better home defense weapon (easier to handle).
Mine is a replica of a historic gun.
Bottom line: both are fun to shoot. Isn't that all that matters
to most of ys?
Cosmoline
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Century is not an arms maker, it's an importer.
I would say the worst arms maker of the past decade was USRAC. I bought four firearms from them, all of which were not just poorly made but an insult to the memory of Winchester.
I would say the worst arms maker of the past decade was USRAC. I bought four firearms from them, all of which were not just poorly made but an insult to the memory of Winchester.
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posted by Kennyboy:
You High Point people need to stop making excuses for your pathetic guns. While you may like them, against name brand manufacturers, they are inferior PERIOD
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So, just to be clear, you Dont like Hi Point?
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posted by Daniel T:
I'm not "High Point people", as I don't even own one. I do wonder though: what kind of person disparages someone for owning the best that they can afford?
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A very good point.
You High Point people need to stop making excuses for your pathetic guns. While you may like them, against name brand manufacturers, they are inferior PERIOD
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So, just to be clear, you Dont like Hi Point?
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posted by Daniel T:
I'm not "High Point people", as I don't even own one. I do wonder though: what kind of person disparages someone for owning the best that they can afford?
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A very good point.
Average Joe
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Stirling Arms, worst pos I ever had.
evan price
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Hey Waste, go find yourself a Jennings .22 semiauto... could be bought new for about $50 or so... now can find them for $25 or so... if you know where to look. Not that you actually "WANT" a J22
.... but having one and firing it will make you appreciate a good gun so much more. The only reason I haven't gotten rid of ours is because 1. nobody will pay more than $25 cash for it max and #2. Sometimes a disposable gun could come in handy (like a $100 gun grabber buyback coupon!)
.... but having one and firing it will make you appreciate a good gun so much more. The only reason I haven't gotten rid of ours is because 1. nobody will pay more than $25 cash for it max and #2. Sometimes a disposable gun could come in handy (like a $100 gun grabber buyback coupon!)belton-deer-hunter
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all i am saying is with the problems yall ar having with yalls jennings and ravens and the problems i am having with mine are nowhere near the same mabee i should offer up a buy back on all yalls jennings and ravens? $50 a peaice shipped? i could build upo a small arsonal fast that a way if one jams pick up a new one
db_tanker
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All these posts and not one person has mentioned the king of all nasty pistols...
LORCIN
I submit that this is probably the best all around home defense handgun...simply GIVE it to the perp/BG and you won't have to worry about being injured.
(I was being facetious with that statement...)
MTCW
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LORCIN
I submit that this is probably the best all around home defense handgun...simply GIVE it to the perp/BG and you won't have to worry about being injured.
(I was being facetious with that statement...)
MTCW
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