Denied purchse at Cabelas need help/info please.

I was dumb and answered one of the questions incorectly and got denied.

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Details of this question and your "incorrect" answer?

Cabelas did the right thing, good on them.

No worries. Go fill it out again. I'm pretty sure the 6mos comment is bull crap. No such laws like that here in indiana.

The feds get no notification fyi. They simply say yes, no, or delayed. Try again and this time, read carefully!

Welcome to thr. Stick around...you'll like it.

If you answer one of the questions "wrong", doesn't the purchase stop right there, never getting to a nics check.

Deep Breath. Relax.

Go to another store and make your purchase.

I had problem with Cabelas for trying to buy 16 round magazine.
I'm living in IL but Lake county. Cook County has restriction on magazine capacity Lake don't. But salesman told me that nothing he can do to help. I called Customer service and get same answer.

The only answer on the 4473 that can't be changed is #11a, the "Are you the actual buyer?" one. With every other question on the form, if you make an error, you just need to strike out your incorrect answer with a single line, then initial and date the correction.

Buy your gun from another vendor.

"I'm pretty sure the 6mos comment is bull"
Cabela's may, somehow, retain enough ID info a denied purchaser to automatically flag them in their system prior to submitting to NICS (or at least info from the purchase itself that would be identical to the 4473 like name/address). No law, but a store policy, that could prevent you from buying from that store for the allotted period (unless, presumably, you get them to remove the flag from their system after you explain; this may or may not be an option).

I totally understand Cabela's perspective; whether NICS ends up denying you or not when you submit for the BGC, they get heat if you end up getting a gun you shouldn't. Couple that with the common knowledge that NICS doesn't even work that well, and it's a no-brainer to clearly state "Do not pass go, Do not collect 200$" to any customer who gives the slightest indication of being prohibited.

When you answered "yes" to that question, you affirmed that you were unable to legally purchase/possess a firearm, and they have to take you at your word for that. Normally, when doing a paper form in a much more personable environment than a hectic Cabela's store, the staff will review your 4473 for these types of flags (and ask you verbally 'are you sure, do you understand, etc.' so you can either correct or start over if a mistake) and the transaction can proceed with corrections/etc.

But Cabela's doesn't have time for that, apparently, and when your 4473 info is submitted, any red flags are taken purely at face value at that's the end of it. No submission to NICS, no nothing (they may have told you that it was NICS that denied you, so you'd get mad at Uncle Sam and not them, but they likely did not send your information if you had already claimed you were a prohibited person per the mistaken answer). At that point, their CYA liability procedures take over, and you're zero-toleranced out of the gun store for six months. Once again, from the store's perspective, there is very little risk in queering the deal for the occasional goober who makes an honest mistake, since there are countless others, and it just may keep their names out of the paper and the ATF hit list (depending where you are in Michigan, they may be under extra scrutiny for having a disproportionate number of sold guns turn up as evidence, even though such disparity is almost always due to geographic proximity to high-crime areas, rather than collusion with criminals)

TCB

The 6 month thing is a Cabela's policy. You have been banned from buying a firearm at Cabela's only!!!!! Happened to my daughter for a similar reason.

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The only answer on the 4473 that can't be changed is #11a, the "Are you the actual buyer?" one. With every other question on the form, if you make an error, you just need to strike out your incorrect answer with a single line, then initial and date the correction.

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Michigando said:

. The test was done on a computer in the store.

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Duno, I have never used a computer generated 4473. Can you change your answers once they have been submitted?

Comprehension is a critical factor in doing most everything. Especially, paper work.

Don't sweat it. Most of the time you can get better prices than Cabelas at other places anyway. And BTW, assault rifles are capable of being fired on full automatic. You can't buy an "assault weapon" or "assault rifle" at a Cabelas or almost any other gun store in the US. The only exception is if you can afford an NFA Class III machine gun.

Deep Breath. Relax.

Go to another store and make your purchase.

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Yep, could probably go back to the same store next week and buy if they don't remember you or if you get a different sales guy. I suppose it could be a Cabelas company policy to wait 6 months, but to my knowledge there's no law that says such a thing.

I don't even remember the questions anymore, I just remember yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
If they ever change them up I'll get screwed if they don't tell me.

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Yep, could probably go back to the same store next week and buy if they don't remember you or if you get a different sales guy. I suppose it could be a Cabelas company policy to wait 6 months, but to my knowledge there's no law that says such a thing.

I don't even remember the questions anymore, I just remember yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
If they ever change them up I'll get screwed if they don't tell me.

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same, i'm sure i'd fill it out wrong at-least once, even if i knew, it's almost an instinct at this point.

I always forget to hit that I'm not Hispanic before I tell them I'm white. Not sure why the Hispanic community isn't up in arms about this.

I read every question every time I fill out the 4473.

I read every question on a 4473. A few years back they changed one question and I miss marked it. The salesman caught it and I did a strike thru and it was OK'd.

This is why I don't like filling out the Form on the computer. While I know the correct answers I am always concerned I will accidently click yes by mistake as computers and I don't play well together.

Michigando My question is does that only apply to just Cabela stores (he wasn't very informative)? Do I have to appeal to the FBI?

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The "6 months" thing is a store policy, not Federal law/ATF regulation.

musher If you answer one of the questions "wrong", doesn't the purchase stop right there, never getting to a nics check.

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Correct.

HexHead The only answer on the 4473 that can't be changed is #11a, the "Are you the actual buyer?" one.

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Not true. No ATF regulation says anything of the sort. As a matter of fact, ANYTHING may be corrected by the transferee/buyer prior to the dealer signing and dating the 4473. The transferee/buyer merely initials and dates any corrections he made on the form. Any errors or omissions discovered after the dealer signs the form are corrected by using another 4473 and attaching the corrected copy to the original form.

Sav .250 Comprehension is a critical factor in doing most everything. Especially, paper work.

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True, but what makes you think people actually read the questions, much less the instructions on the 4473. You can't comprehend what you don't read.

guyfromohio I always forget to hit that I'm not Hispanic before I tell them I'm white. Not sure why the Hispanic community isn't up in arms about this.

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It's a little late to get upset. "Ethnicity" has been on 4473's for DECADES. It has been on 4473's since the 70's. (and it's the same on all federal forms, not just 4473's)

The only reason folks are more aware is because the previous 4473 Que. 10 asked "Race & Ethnicity". The new version separates the two.....and an answer is required for both. You can be any race and be ethnically a Hispanic. I leaned this in junior high. In public school. In Arkansas. In 1970. :banghead:

GAF I read every question every time I fill out the 4473.

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I have buyers who study, not just read the Questions...........invariably they will fail to answer the required questions, yet provide an answer on questions that they are told to specifically skip.

I average 2,000 transfer a year............around 50% require me to hand the form back and ask the buyer to fill in missing information:
-Some will argue with me on Que10a. "But I'm NOT Hispanic!" Ok, then check not Hispanic. "I'm White!" I know, but that's Que 10b....you need to give me an answer on 10a as well. "But I'm not Hispanic!" :banghead:
-Que12 is checked YES by 80% of all transferees........which means they didn't read or understand Que 11.:banghead:
-Que. 13 State of Residence............"uh Texas? I already listed it as my address?" Yes, you have to write it twice.:banghead:

You can be any race and be ethnically a Hispanic. I leaned this in junior high. In public school. In Arkansas. In 1970

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I think what he means is that the question just asks if you're hispanic or not. It doesn't ask about any other ethnicity. So as far as the ATF cares the entire population falls into two groups. Hispanic and not Hispanic.

I wondered if I was the only person who reads every last word on that form! Don't trust what the Government has become, and there are too many people like the one at Cabela's.

Many people, like myself, have filled out the 4473 so many times that I do more of a skim than to actually read everything in detail. I can see how some can make mistakes doing this, but unlike with Cabelas, most privately owned shops I've purchased or have transferred from will usually catch and point out potential mistakes to you within a second of form being handed to them.... It's usually isn't a big deal... Just change your answer, and then initial it.

If I was the OP, I'd go elsewhere, or I'd try another Cabelas. He could also call the corporate number anonymously to verify that the 6 month waiting period is in fact company policy. As Dogtown pointed out, dozens of people inadvertently make errors, and if Cabelas made all of them wait 6 months because of it, they'd lose a lot of business. I'd call for confirmation if I was the OP.

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You can be any race and be ethnically a Hispanic. I leaned this in junior high. In public school. In Arkansas. In 1970

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I think what he means is that the question just asks if you're hispanic or not. It doesn't ask about any other ethnicity. So as far as the ATF cares the entire population falls into two groups. Hispanic and not Hispanic.

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ATF isn't the one to blame for that question...........it wasn't their call. Federal law mandates that data include at least two ethnicities. The reason for Hispanic/Not Hispanic as the only choice for ethnicity is a decision by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) and the United States Census Bureau.

The salesman could have just as easily thrown the 4473 in the trash and started another one. Total BS on their part...