Is there a market for a MULTI-SHOT BP RIFLE?

Seems most do well with half of that powder charge.

The .38-55 made quite a name for itself as did the .44-40... And we aren't even talking about the .45-70.

Why? The 44 Remington or the 44 Colts have plenty of power for deer.

Double rifle may be the way to go. However, they are expensive to make and to get to shoot to the same POA.

That said, I think follow up shots are not that common and with the smoke/recoil, spooked animal, even harder to make.

Didn't Century of some such back in the late 60's sell a swivel barrel two shot flint lock?

-kBob

What a lot of people don't know is that two-shot blackpowder rifles and muskets were fairly common during the early 19th century. Not everybody had just one shot. I sure wish some of the Italian makers would make a replica of one. These are covered well in The Muzzle-Loading Cap Lock Rifle by Ned H. Roberts.

Or for simplicity sake why not copy an original idea that has been around for a good amount of time. Check out Jonathon Browning's (John Moses Browning's dad) "harmonica" rifle. It was usually offered in 5 shot but could be varied to the customers request, and was simplicity itself to operate. It was also offered with another bar chamber so in effect you carried 10 rounds pre-loaded and ready to fire by simply swapping bars.

http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/65/lid/1135

Pretty cool idea.

A Ruger Old Army or its equivalent with Kaido Conicals can take bear and anything else one might run up against in North America's woods.

Might one of Colt's revolving shotguns or rifles pique your interest?

Mike Belivew (duelisy1954) has construction videos of building a flinter with 2 barrels that rotate and use one lock.
But you can't use multi shot guns for muzzle loader hunting.

You can't legally hunt with a 1866 revolving carbine?

It wouldn't work here in TX during the muzzleloader season as it doesn't load from the muzzle. I asked about using my ROA. It can be used during the regular season.

How about a Colt Walker with a shoulder stock?

hrmm....i think if i had the choice, i would opt for a double barrel rifle.....but instead of a side by side......i would make it an over/ under.......i think that would be pretty neat.

A harmonica rifle remake would be cool but expensive

What about something like this?

http://www.oldsouthfirearms.com/traditions1858remingtonnewarmy44calsteelframe12octbarrelbuffalo.aspx

A load of Olde Eynsford or Swiss powder behind a big whompin slug, it will get the job done.

Howdy

This double rifle is available in .50, .54, .58, and .72 caliber.

https://www.dixiegunworks.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_92_186_191&products_id=3518&osCsid=fr6186rhnae0cvah8fgkq51sp7

Something like this?

http:// https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colt_revolving_rifle

Ironhand

you need to check the laws in your own state as to what is legal or not.
Also any state you plan to hunt in as they are not all the same.
many state it must be a muzzle loader.
Any BP revolver would not meet that condition.

some specify a minimum caliber and or a minimum amount of powder.

Also some states don't have a separate BP season

As to using kaidos 250gr in a ROA for bear, I won't say it can't be done,
But you'd be foolish, especially if it is a grizzly or a Alaskan Brown.

You better have a heavy caliber backup rifle with you.
I've seen griz take two well placed shots and pretty much shrug them off for several minutes and still charge.

Some of you may have seen this recently. It's a 4-shot, one barrel pistol.
This is supposed to be a one-of-a-kind pistol that sold for $10,000 at auction. (I could find a better use for 10 grand.)

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/04/3...ent=2016-05-03&utm_campaign=Weekly+Newsletter

Isn't the idea of muzzle loading season to give the animals a chance by limiting the hunter to one shot only?

If I missed something then perhaps there's a market out there for a reproduction of the Colt 1855 revolving cylinder rifle?

Gary,

The Browning Harmonica rifles featured a system of caming the chamber block forward over the back of the barrel, much like a Russian 1895 Nagant revolver. Fess Parker fired one in a film about JMB's history and I believe he fired it with his support arm forward as with a standard rifle rather than behind the face of the barrel.

John Browning appearently though that the three shot block offered the best option for a hunter but built five and seven shot "Harmonicas" for those that wanted them and even a 21 shot model for use from a fixed position.

Other than some folks ruminating I can find no definitive reference that "The Mormon Battalion" that marched off to Mexico (too late) carried any of these rifles. My understanding is that when his family said he did not make rifles after arriving in Ogden that this meant he did not design new rifles. I have seen references to him making a copy of the Walker pistol (which he did not like doing as he thought the Harmonica type easier to make) and under hammer guns after arriving in Ogden.

I think John Browning's biggest contribution to firearms history though was when young JMB said at the supper table one night after a frustrating day trying to repair some single shot that "I could make a better gun than THIS!" then his father John said "I wish you would, son" and firearms history changed.

-kBob

So from the BP section of the 1975 Guns Illustrated I found three turn barrel rifles.

Esopus TB-1 percussion .45 cal two barrels on swivel, single, each barrel has its own sights lock $139.95

Hopkins and Allen Turnbarrel o/u percussion 45 cal two barrels on swivel, single, each barrel has its own sights lock $139.95

These do not appear to be the same rifle but close in lay out, different lock plate and cap box in stocks , different trigger guards, and Esopus has sort of a fore stock.

Dixie Flint Swivel Breech Rifle .45 On this the barrels each have their own pan and frizzen in addition to sights and the barrels are "Paneled" like the Esopus to provide a scant fore stock. Very nice stock in the add with embellished rectangular patch box.....a mere $450 in 1975 (ow! buddy's Mauser action , scoped BSA cost only about $200 that year)

Also available as a percussion gun at an amazing savings at only $325 in 1975.....about what a PFC took home a month in 1975.

I will say that Tim Murphy would likely have been happy with the looks of the Dixie rifle in his tree at Saratoga.

I have yet to find the model flinter I still seem to recall was offered by Century though it looked much like the H&A percussion gun and I suspect was made by the same folks.

I believe it appeared in their "Restore your tired old rolling block" adds for years.

I can not recall ever having handled any of these swivel breech or turn barrel guns though they always fascinated me since reading of Murphy as a "ute"

-kBob