Craig,Wrong. The truth is the truth, regardless of how anyone feels about it, good or bad. IMHO, people should have all the information possible, even when it's not what they want to hear. This is only a question of delivery. Nothing wrong with owning or using a cheap gun but do so with your eyes open.
I'm sorry but calling someone a snob because they're honest about cheap guns is like calling them a racist because they don't believe in welfare. I'm tired of this politically correct nonsense and this is just political correctness in the guise of a class war. As if getting offended or hurt feelings are the worst things that could happen. Getting yourself and/or your family killed is a whole lot worse than getting your feelings hurt. I'd rather someone hurt my feelings telling me I bought a piece of junk and needed a better tool than to placate me with false confidence in a tool that might not get the job done. Too much at stake here. I applaud the OP for doing a good deed but to the above quoted post, this "snob" would buy the lady in question an entry-level S&W or Ruger before I'd lie to her about the HiPoint.
Wrong. The truth is the truth, regardless of how anyone feels about it, good or bad. IMHO, people should have all the information possible, even when it's not what they want to hear. This is only a question of delivery. Nothing wrong with owning or using a cheap gun but do so with your eyes open.
I'm sorry but calling someone a snob because they're honest about cheap guns is like calling them a racist because they don't believe in welfare. I'm tired of this politically correct nonsense and this is just political correctness in the guise of a class war. As if getting offended or hurt feelings are the worst things that could happen. Getting yourself and/or your family killed is a whole lot worse than getting your feelings hurt. I'd rather someone hurt my feelings telling me I bought a piece of junk and needed a better tool than to placate me with false confidence in a tool that might not get the job done. Too much at stake here. I applaud the OP for doing a good deed but to the above quoted post, this "snob" would buy the lady in question an entry-level S&W or Ruger before I'd lie to her about the HiPoint.
Do you carry a HiPoint? Do you trust your life to a HiPoint? Are HiPoints (or similarly priced handguns) all you own? If not, then stop calling people snobs just because they prefer something better. It's unproductive and usually inaccurate. I don't own a HiPoint, just as I don't buy cheap scopes, own a 30yr old beater car or wear Walmart brand clothes. I want better and I can afford better so I have better. Does that make me a snob? No. Wanting/having better things does not make you a snob. Recommending others do the same does not make you a snob. Thinking having better things makes you a better person makes you a snob. They're inanimate objects, having them doesn't enhance your character any more than wanting them impugns it. Big distinction. No one is doing that there, including the OP.Attached are 3 links to reviews of Hi Points. They're on par with what seems to be the consensus regarding them. Ugly, heavy, but inexpensive and reliable. We need to differentiate between guns that are either unsafe or unreliable, which should be brought to their owner's attention and guns that are inexpensive but reliable. The difference is that in the first scenario, we're alerting the owner to a gun that may not function if they need it to defend themselves with. In the second scenario the person speaking ill of the gun is IMO a snob.
On that we agree. However, one shouldn't have to be starry eyed about them to utilize one. I'm a big believer in the 20v lithium power tools by Black & Decker, because they're relatively cheap. I don't have to delude myself into believing their the best there is to use them. I know who makes better tools and I have them for applications where that matters.Hi Point fills an important need in the gun community, a reliable gun that someone with a lower income could afford.
You did the right thing.I'm a cwp instructor for SC and as I prepare for a class I'm reminded of something that happened to me back in 2009 in one of my first classes. The question of gun quality and what I thought of Hi Point firearms. I gave my opinion based on what I had seen through the years Wich was not a pretty picture. Unknown to me at the time a young lady that was taking the class had a Hi Point to use for weapons qualification. She was a single mom that had left her abusive husband and moved to SC. She worked 3 jobs to support her and her daughter. She worked at the grocery store, night shift at the gas station on the bad side of town and cleaned houses in between. She had little education and those were her only type options not that there's anything wrong with that but money was tight. Later when we got to weapons qual she came up to me and apologized for having such a "Bad gun" and I knew at that moment I had shattered her self confidence after all she had overcome to get to where she was. Well as to be expected she did not do very well with qualification and a lot of it was my fault. After everyone else shot I ask her to try again with one of my range revolvers a older but very nice Rossi M88. We went over some pointers and she had no problems passing. Knowing she needed protection for her and her daughter and after seeing the grin on her face I had to go a step further to correct my wrong. I told her I was looking for a Hi Point as a demonstrator for class and would she do a one for one trade , my revolver for her used HI Point. And she was thrilled. Not being professional that day cost me but I slept very good that night. And to this day every Christmas without fail we get a card from her and her daughter. So next time your bad mouthing someone's equipment or whatever stop and be professional.
Do you carry a HiPoint? Do you trust your life to a HiPoint? Are HiPoints (or similarly priced handguns) all you own? If not, then stop calling people snobs just because they prefer something better. It's unproductive and usually inaccurate. I don't own a HiPoint, just as I don't buy cheap scopes, own a 30yr old beater car or wear Walmart brand clothes. I want better and I can afford better so I have better. Does that make me a snob?
While I stick with my own opinion that Hi-Point guns are far from unreliable and far from unsafe, I do feel that the lady in the OP, given her lack of experience and likely limited skill in the manual-of-arms with one, is better served in the short run by the revolver the OP traded her for it. No slide to rack, and no safety to fiddle with; just keep it ready to go.
I made the snob statement and stand by it WHEN the person who can afford whatever he wants tries to tell someone who cannot afford the same that he/she is buying/owns an unsafe gun and should buy something better. So please tell me, what makes a Hi Point an unsafe choice? We've read here of people who own them or shoot them and find them accurate and reliable. There are links to other sites that say the same thing. To me, if a gun is reliable and accurate it is not junk not matter what you paid for it, Telling someone that they bought a POS because it is beneath your level of acceptance is snobbery if the gun is safe, reliable and accurate. Hi Points have proven to be all that.
Do you carry a HiPoint? Do you trust your life to a HiPoint? Are HiPoints (or similarly priced handguns) all you own? If not, then stop calling people snobs just because they prefer something better. It's unproductive and usually inaccurate. I don't own a HiPoint, just as I don't buy cheap scopes, own a 30yr old beater car or wear Walmart brand clothes. I want better and I can afford better so I have better. Does that make me a snob? No. Wanting/having better things does not make you a snob. Recommending others do the same does not make you a snob. Thinking having better things makes you a better person makes you a snob. They're inanimate objects, having them doesn't enhance your character any more than wanting them impugns it. Big distinction. No one is doing that there, including the OP.
On that we agree. However, one shouldn't have to be starry eyed about them to utilize one. I'm a big believer in the 20v lithium power tools by Black & Decker, because they're relatively cheap. I don't have to delude myself into believing their the best there is to use them. I know who makes better tools and I have them for applications where that matters.
All this class war crap stems from the liberal belief in making people content with mediocrity, while punishing and shaming the successful.
Test Drive you sir, are a credit to gun owners everywhere.
test drive wrote:
So next time your bad mouthing someone's equipment or whatever stop and be professional.
vito wrote:
I have heard a gun store clerk telling a tiny, frail, elderly woman that nothing less than a 45acp is acceptable for self defense, and when she said she wanted a revolver because she was told that they are more reliable, the clerk suggested a 44magnum!
and I'm starting to come to the conclusion that you can't load an overpressure round hot enough to blow one up
how many of your customers bring "better" guns that don't finish?
they probably won't take the offer, because it isn't just the cost of the course. And how many people who can only afford a Hi Point is going to pay for all of that, even if they and the gun can make it through?
He says it right in the previous sentence: He thinks she didn't do well because he caused her to lose confidence in her pistol.Solomonson said:Why was it "to be expected"? Because she used a Hi-Point pistol to qualify? What was the problem? Was it not properly sighted?test drive said:Later when we got to weapons qual she came up to me and apologized for having such a "Bad gun" and I knew at that moment I had shattered her self confidence after all she had overcome to get to where she was. Well as to be expected she did not do very well with qualification and a lot of it was my fault.