grampajack
AR Junkie
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Gramps,
The incident I spoke of with the 22 it was actually a shot to the eye.
It's not the crkt m21 or 24 is it? The larger version of the m16? That's almost exclusively what I carry day in and day out, along with a kbar tdi when I can. The crkt is a great knife.
i don't disagree with your point about 22 not being a very good option when there are guns like the LCP (although I actually almost never carry my LCP, go figure) but my point isn't so much that "22 is a good choice" so much as "all handguns are pretty lousy choices, but if circumstances dictate a .22, then I think three are ways to make it more effective and at the end of the day, shot placement is king over everything else." I actually really like your lotto ticket analogy. To continue that metaphor, I'm saying "you might be playing the lottery, but let's make sure we are playing it wisely (better odds with a handful of scratch off tickets than one powerball) and just to be safe, I'm going to actually have the scratch off ticket with me."
One thing that I haven't seen hit on yet, is that there is one VERY significant advantage that the beretta 22 has over a Ruger LCP and the kel Tec and an M&P shield and one of those heifer defense pistols: the OP already owns one, and doesn't need to spend another $200 on another pistol. One could make the argument that 380 or 9mm is better than your kel tec, simply because the slightly larger diameter will increase the possibility of a tension pneumothorax because your creating a larger opening in the chest cavity, but that doesn't change the fact that you already have a kel tec, and chasing that perfect carry gun can be a very expensive never ending exercise.
As far as the gym shorts goes, I concede, agree, and disagree. My concession is that everyone is different and the clothes we wear are different, and the way they fit is different. I have never been able to carry a j frame in my jeans pocket, they just don't fit me that way, and I don't understand how anyone else does, but I know there are people that do. I agree with you about waistband location of a firearm being optimal, it's the way to go from a security and speed stand point, no arguments there. I disagree with the idea of a gun like an NAA not being viable in gym shorts pocket. I have zero problems carrying a j frame in my gym shorts pocket, and often do as an around the house gun. I similarly (as long as I'm not going for a run) don't have a problem with a spare m&p shield mag, Glock 20 mag, iPod, or anything else in gym shorts pockets, and am confident something like the NAA would be just the ticket, from the stand point of something that can fit in a small pocket for when you just want to wear a pair of board shorts or for whatever reason want to have a small concealed gun despite having a full size blaster on your belt.
A shot to the eye would stop just about anyone I would hope. How was the guy still alive? Even a .22 I would have imagined would almost have to continue into the brain...unless it came from the side and wasn't on that trajectory. The bone behind the eyes is eggshell thin.
I agree that all handguns are lousy in that there are only a few places you can hit someone that will stop them, and those places are relatively small, but that is entirely predicated in the first place on the bullet having the necessary energy to reasonably penetrate to those targets. If you don't have that, then you don't have anything, and you're just relying on dumb luck.