No no no. Can’t use that. It looks to much like an evil, scary, AR that could sway public opinion. But I on the other hand think your two choices are awesome.
jmr40 wrote:
What you want is penetration...
I'm thinking of replacing my Remington with a Marlin 60. Its got some feeding issues.
Tis why I never got a Remington 597. The Marlin M60 is a good inexpensive little 22 rifle (typically accurate and reliable). My Remington 22's are all bolt actions and they shoot good. I would consider a Ruger 10/22 if you dominant use for the 22 is plinking and apartment defense. Get a couple extra mags. Many of the large capacity after market mags are un-reliable. Steel lips are the best of those.I'm thinking of replacing my Remington with a Marlin 60. Its got some feeding issues.
I have seen Remington Thunderbolts have a 25% failure rate. If it is quality 22 ammo I agree with you.I honestly can't afford to practice "enough" with pretty much anything center-fire; those who can I envy.
Pretty much any semi-auto 22 seems formidable as all heck at interior distances...
So I have a hypothetical question:
I live in an apartment with a decent amount of space, but thin interior walls and neighbors and such. If (hypothetically) I were to set up a long gun for home defense, would a 22LR rifle (in my case, a Remington 597, or a lever-action carbine) be an effective choice for HD duty?
My thought is that a 22LR rifle, loaded with CCI Stingers (which cycle well) would be a reasonably effective tool. I understand that a single 22LR doesn't necessarily have the energy to immediately neutralize an attacker, but its lack of recoil and muzzle flash seems permissive to multiple follow-on shots and its light weight and short OAL makes it easy for either myself or my wife to use. Less risk of penetration into another room, less sound and lower cost for the weapon and ammo also seem to be positives. I also reckon that a .22 would make training far easier because I'd be able to afford a lot more rounds and range time than a more-expensive centerfire rifle. On the flipside, 22LR isn't necessarily as versatile a round as some of the centerfires out there and it's not necessarily powerful enough to neutralize a threat as reliably as a 5.56mm.
*Note: I've got shotguns and centerfire handguns too, and my go-to is currently a 1911 stoked with .45ACP hollowpoints. This is more of a conceptual exercise, but I'm also looking to streamline the collection somewhat too, and having common ammunition and manuals-of-arms is nice.
The Israeli Army deployed Ruger 10/22s in combat.
They know a thing or two about that stuff!
http://www.ruger1022.com/docs/israeli_sniper.htm
Not necessarily.
Penetrate the soft tissue with a tiny hole that goes right on through and all the energy consumed in carrying the bullet to its ultimate destination after having penetrated the target is wasted. Penetrating the soft tissue of a human target is almost always less effective in taking the person out of the fight than a shallow wound that strikes and breaks a bone. A large, shallow wound, particularly one with numerous tiny wound channels can be far more effective in removing someone from a fight than a penetrating would because the effect of greater blood loss combined with the fact the wound appears very serious have a greater psychological effect on the attacker.
RM, you obviously have never encountered a howling mob of people who would quite happily kill you. Never forget that until 1997, genocide of all Jews in Israel was an item in the Charter of the PLO. While that was removed via pressure on Arafat from Clinton, the desire still exists.
Wow. I didn't know the Israelis were that brutal or savage. Shooting protesters with real firearms and lethal ammo...that's disappointing and disturbing and unethical. Use real LTL devices and weapons, or don't even perpetuate the fraud. Why do we support these people?
Somehow I doubt this would be even remotely acceptable if an American police department did it...
So in addtion to a socialist elitist, you are anti-Semetic, too?Why do we support these people?
No its shooting them for rioting. Big difference.Still....that's some stunning disregard for life there. Shooting people for protesting....
Makes sense. If I ever need it, I'm not wanting to risk overpenetration and I want something cheap, effective and easy to shoot indoors. Thanks for the advice.
Not anti-Semitic, btw. The Palestinians are the original inhabitants of the area and got a really raw deal, and they're just as Semetic as the Israelis. I just think defending reprehensible conduct based on ethnicity, religion or anything else is a poor man's attempt to justify evil, but that's just a liberal Fudd for y'all, not a Real American Man like y'all. But that's not a High Road debate.
. . . but that's just a liberal Fudd for y'all, not a Real American Man like y'all.
Because this is my country and I'm as American and patriotic as any of y'all. I just think that some of the more dangerous tools we sell ought to be more strictly regulated than they currently are. Y'all are so busy hating anyone with a different opinion that you forget that and break the rules of your own forum. High Road, people.
I just wanted some advice on how to make a sensible, effective home defense/utility weapon in a noncontroversial caliber without controversial features.