New Ruger Pistol Caliber Carbine?

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I'll take at least one. Probably in 9mil since Glock 9 is usually what I'm carrying.

Hopefully it'll be sub-$350 to give Kel-Tec and Hi-Point a run, but given the pricing for some of Ruger's other offerings I'm not holding my breath.
 
BSA1 said:
The Hi-Point is a blowback and makes the receiver heavy. While the overall gun is heavy it is a fun shooter.

If the Ruger PC is a blowback action it will be interesting to see how they handled it's weight since a blowback by design needs a heavy bolt. The picture shows a fluted barrel which will help to shift the weight of gun to the receiver.

The replaceable mag well is novel. The gun will certainly have a much bigger market with magwells for the Beretta 92 and S&W M&P. Perhaps a enterprising company will offer it as aftermarket accessory.

The biggest shortcoming of the Hi-Point Carbine is it's single stack magazine. The Ruger addresses that but the real question will be what the out-the-door price will be.
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Every semiautomatic pistol caliber carbine is a blowback design. You say that as though it’s unique to high point
 
Reversible charging handle and interchangeable mag wells looks like interchangeable calibers too....

Sounds to me they were eyeing Just Right Carbines design more than keltecs.

Im interested... I've been saying for a long time that there hasn't been any non pistol gripped semiauto rifles made in a long time.
 
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chicharrones said:
A non-AR pistol caliber carbine in 9mm made by Ruger. Almost exactly what I wanted, except for I'd prefer the magazine go up a pistol grip magazine well for a compact length without being a takedown.

So, Ruger must be looking to market this to all 50 states?

Either way, I think this is the short range shooter I've been waiting for. If they happen to make it in a wood stocked non-takedown version . . . well, that's where my money will go. :cool:
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I agree 100%. I really don't like the look of a rifle with a pistol mag sticking out the bottom. It just makes infinite more sense to put the mag in a pistol grip. I'm sure the non pistol grip is a concession to the no assault rifle states. And yes I will be much more interested in a wood model. I'm okay with the takedown if it proves to be accurate and maintain zero after takedown with an optic on the receiver. It would be a breeze to clean that way.
 
Looks like my next truck gun!

Street price on new Rugers tends to be 75% of MSRP, which makes it under $500.

As for it being "almost entirely plastic", it has a steel barrel and aluminum receiver. So really the stock and trigger housing are the only major polymer components. :confused:

I'm sure if they sell well enough, Boyd's will make replacement stocks for it.
 
I'm not sure what to make of this new carbine. Hasn't the Ruger PC/Beretta Storm/Marlin Camp Carbine already been done and forgotten about? And if a pistol caliber carbine was needed why not base it off the SR556 and give us something that will complete against the MPX and CZ?

With that said I can see the merit of something like this if and when Ruger brings out an integrally suppressed barrel.

Sometimes Ruger does stuff right. Other times not so much...
 
USBP379 said:
I'm not sure what to make of this new carbine. Hasn't the Ruger PC/Beretta Storm/Marlin Camp Carbine already been done and forgotten about? And if a pistol caliber carbine was needed why not base it off the SR556 and give us something that will complete against the MPX and CZ?

With that said I can see the merit of something like this if and when Ruger brings out an integrally suppressed barrel.

Sometimes Ruger does stuff right. Other times no so much...
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It won’t have widespread appeal and may not stay in production long. I’m going to try and scoop one up before that happens.

I see it as filling the same sort of role as a 10/22, but one that fires reloadable ammo that will produce more spectacular results on reactive targets. It’s a plinker that will probably be ok as an he gun too. I was actually mulling a .22 mag semi auto for that role, but I appreciate shooting something I can hand load. I think this will be the only California compliant PCC on the market.

Also, it looks fun, which seems like a thing more and more people are forgetting to have these days. Not all of us are looking to win 3 gun events or do all the math and paperwork required engage in the long range game. There are a few of us left who want to do the kind of shooting we did as kids, line up a bunch of old fruit, cans, water jugs, etc. on a fence and make them explode.
 
Jason_W said:
It won’t have widespread appeal and may not stay in production long. I’m going to try and scoop one up before that happens.

I see it as filling the same sort of role as a 10/22, but one that fires reloadable ammo that will produce more spectacular results on reactive targets. It’s a plinker that will probably be ok as an he gun too. I was actually mulling a .22 mag semi auto for that role, but I appreciate shooting something I can hand load. I think this will be the only California compliant PCC on the market.

Also, it looks fun, which seems like a thing more and more people are forgetting to have these days. Not all of us are looking to win 3 gun events or do all the math and paperwork required engage in the long range game. There are a few of us left who want to do the kind of shooting we did as kids, line up a bunch of old fruit, cans, water jugs, etc. on a fence and make them explode.
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Sorry. I'm just not seeing it.

No doubt the little gun will be fun to shoot (as are most firearms) and it would make a nice trainer for a kid, etc. But outside of that I don't see an appeal.

Maybe I'm wrong and the gun will be a huge hit. I hope it is.
 
USBP379 said:
I'm not sure what to make of this new carbine. Hasn't the Ruger PC/Beretta Storm/Marlin Camp Carbine already been done and forgotten about? And if a pistol caliber carbine was needed why not base it off the SR556 and give us something that will complete against the MPX and CZ?

With that said I can see the merit of something like this if and when Ruger brings out an integrally suppressed barrel.

Sometimes Ruger does stuff right. Other times not so much...
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The reason it's not based off of the SR556 is because this thing looks like it's aiming to be 50-state compliant. Just at a glance, I can already see this is California legal: no pistol grip, no collapsible stock, no flash suppressor, has a 10 round low-capacity variant.

The old Ruger PC9/PC4 and the Marlin Camp carbines met their demise mostly thanks to the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. The Camp went out of production in 1999, and the PC9/PC4 followed shortly after in 2006. But (most of) the U.S. is not in an AWB world and the popularity of the pistol caliber carbine concept has caught on pretty seriously in the gun community in the past 5 years or so. The Beretta Storm isn't dead.

Jason_W said:
I think this will be the only California compliant PCC on the market.
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Besides the hunk o' junk known as the Chiappa M1-9, which costs almost the same as this PC carbine and is a jam-o-matic.
 
Yujun said:
The old Ruger PC9/PC4 and the Marlin Camp carbines met their demise mostly thanks to the Clinton Assault Weapons Ban. The Camp went out of production in 1999, and the PC9/PC4 followed shortly after in 2006. But (most of) the U.S. is not in an AWB world and the popularity of the pistol caliber carbine concept has caught on pretty seriously in the gun community in the past 5 years or so. The Beretta Storm isn't dead.
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That's what I think, too. The resurgence of the AR rifle/carbine after the assault ban reached the end kept a damper on anything like the Marlin or Ruger coming back, IMO. In fact, I think the AR market is one possible reason (out of several) why the Marlin 1894 in .357 is out of production.

This new Ruger does seem to fit the need of shooters that live in the states that ban AR type firearms.
 
USBP379 said:
Sorry. I'm just not seeing it.

No doubt the little gun will be fun to shoot (as are most firearms) and it would make a nice trainer for a kid, etc. But outside of that I don't see an appeal.

Maybe I'm wrong and the gun will be a huge hit. I hope it is.
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It won’t be a huge hit nation wide, but I bet sales will be good in states like California and New York.

At a glance, it looks to meet all of my wants and needs in a fun gun:

California legal
Takes a small assortment of common magazines
Cheap, easily reloadable ammo
Low recoil but powerful enough to blow things up

What’s not to like?
 
Jason_W said:
I see it as filling the same sort of role as a 10/22, but one that fires reloadable ammo that will produce more spectacular results on reactive targets. It’s a plinker that will probably be ok as an hd gun too. I was actually mulling a .22 mag semi auto for that role, but I appreciate shooting something I can hand load. I think this will be the only California compliant PCC on the market.

Also, it looks fun, which seems like a thing more and more people are forgetting to have these days. Not all of us are looking to win 3 gun events or do all the math and paperwork required engage in the long range game. There are a few of us left who want to do the kind of shooting we did as kids, line up a bunch of old fruit, cans, water jugs, etc. on a fence and make them explode.
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Home defense and plinking is what I want one for. 9mm from a relatively easy to shoot carbine with low muzzle blast seems like the perfect gun to serve me from my 50s through my 70s.
 
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Corpral_Agarn said:
They have DI 45acp carbines now.
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"They" have everything nowadays, especially in .45 ACP where the mass of the bolt must be much greater than in 9mm:

- RMW make a DI upper, nowadays they partner with Bazooka Brothers for lowers
- CMMG make a delayed blowback, Guard, which allows for a relatively lightweight bolt group
- RRA make a full-on piston system, CSA-45

The only thing remaining is a recoil-operated action of some kind (aside from 1911 itself).
 
I'm not sure why but I think I want one. :) I suspect we may see other calibers in the future ? I think I'll wait to see how this shakes out but I suspect these will be tough to find and likely a premium when you do, at least initially.

Jeff
 
Jason_W said:
It won’t be a huge hit nation wide, but I bet sales will be good in states like California and New York.

At a glance, it looks to meet all of my wants and needs in a fun gun:

California legal
Takes a small assortment of common magazines
Cheap, easily reloadable ammo
Low recoil but powerful enough to blow things up

What’s not to like?
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I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just not excited about the new carbine. It has no appeal to me from a practical nor an impractical standpoint.

I generally like Ruger stuff. They make a solid revolver and I think their 1911s are some of the nicer guns for the money on the market. The American bolt rifles are okay too for what they are.

Oh well, I guess I can't like everything Ruger makes...
 
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