troy fairweather
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well said
Forget Sig already
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ArchAngelCD
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I hate to have to stick up for a company that means nothing to me but I will.
The Sig P320 passed all the standard and required drop tests. What we saw in the Internet were drops from heights and angles never tested by anyone but those who are looking to get the results they did. Sig decided to spend all the money on putting a very expensive trigger in an inexpensive gun for good public relations and out of an abundance of caution. I think they did the right thing and made me a fan of the company.
Just my opinion.
bannockburn
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Back in the day while looking for a decent DA/SA 9mm. it came down to the Beretta Model 92 Compact, the S&W Model 659, and the SIG P226. Went with the P226 because it had the best ergonomics of the three guns and I loved the way it felt in my hand. Since then I have gone with a P228 and a P229 and still like SIG's all metal guns. Not such a big fan of the polymer pistols though with the exception of the P2022. Didn't care for the trigger on the P250 or the ergonomics of the P290 and P320. Still waiting on the "new(er), and (still working on getting it), improved" P365 before I go out and get one.
JR24
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Heights were reasonable and the angle was extremely dangerous for anyone around. I'm glad they fixed it but their PR offering a upgrade while they were still advertising it as drop safe on their website was just silly.
I agree with you about the heights and angles. While not a government mandated test, it was a common enough angle that it made me leery of the pistol I had grown so fond of. SIG's problem was that they wanted their cake and eat it too with the trigger. Smooth metal triggers on striker fired guns without a dingus or a hinge or a 9+lb weight may travel enough to fire if dropped just right.
I will say their excuses and backpedaling statements were quite stupid.
That said, SIG did it right. They upgraded the guns quickly and at no charge. I got a free plastic case and a sticker for my 3 or 4 week turn around (better than nothing, I guess). The new trigger not only makes the gun safer but also improved an already great trigger (for a striker) and got rid of the annoying double click. I'm very pleased.
JR24
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Right, I didn't like their PR spin at all but do respect their actual actions.
I just wish they did it honestly. Not offering a voluntary upgrade while still claiming their unupgraded guns were drop safe.
But I'm stuck nievely wishing for a world were folk are honest.
Oh, and I totally think they just should have called it a recall and made it mandatory. Fess up that it was an unforeseen if a bit hold-your-mouth-just-right flaw, reiterate that all the .gov thumb safety pistols are safe for our soldiers, and request everyone send their's back in. Maybe toss in a grip frame or mag for the trouble. The new trigger has, to my knowledge, no downside beyond having to wait to get your gun back. It's safer and it shoots better. However, the older ones floating around out there still make me nervous. Highly unlikely that they are a threat, but still, the upgrade is well worth the time and effort.
cc-hangfire
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A) I agree with the disappointment in any reputable company releasing a product (i.e. - P365) that make early buyers beta testers. On the cynical side, I can see where that could be a profitable business model as long as the corporate reputation can weather the criticism.
B) I expect that the P320 will become as iconic as the Beretta 92 through the coming decades with US military use. There’ll be minor improvements too.
C) The P22x family of handguns rightfully earned their reputation in LE use and combat.
SIG is one of the top tier handgun manufacturers, and any of those manufacturers that crank out new designs will have a few stumbles. Customer service and responsiveness are needed to cover those stumbles.
With all that said, I do like and trust my P238, P938, P226. P229, & the set of P250’s that are house and travel guns. My old Kel Tec P-11 is smaller & lighter than the P365, and matches its capacity at 10+1; so I’ll wait on buying the P365 till all the bugs get worked out.
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I had a Sig Mosquito. It was a piece of garbage - the worst handgun I ever owned.
I got a Sig P230 a while back (a police turn-in, IIRC) and it's a pretty good pistol. It's prettier than most Walther PP "inspired" pistols and shoots just fine.
Used full-sized P-series Sigs, especially in 40 caliber, have been showing up on GB for cheap lately. My latest handgun goal is to score one (without the DAK trigger) for $300 or less. It's certainly possible, but it will probably take me a while. I'll post pics when it happens.
Here's the P230:
I got a Sig P230 a while back (a police turn-in, IIRC) and it's a pretty good pistol. It's prettier than most Walther PP "inspired" pistols and shoots just fine.
Used full-sized P-series Sigs, especially in 40 caliber, have been showing up on GB for cheap lately. My latest handgun goal is to score one (without the DAK trigger) for $300 or less. It's certainly possible, but it will probably take me a while. I'll post pics when it happens.
Here's the P230:
huntsman
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Why is anyone suprised that gun manufacturers are making questionable decisions, these are desperate times for them.
Growth is needed for their survival yet the frenzy of the past robbed the buyers of the present.
As for the 365 Sig was too quick with that “game changer” hype and that made the problems magnified, didn’t they realize that in today’s world everything is shared online? hype and warts both.
Growth is needed for their survival yet the frenzy of the past robbed the buyers of the present.
As for the 365 Sig was too quick with that “game changer” hype and that made the problems magnified, didn’t they realize that in today’s world everything is shared online? hype and warts both.
NIGHTLORD40K
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+1 on the Mosquito being junk- but then its not a real SIG, just a rebranded Umarex......they should have been ashamed of putting their name on it.I had a Sig Mosquito. It was a piece of garbage - the worst handgun I ever owned.
I got a Sig P230 a while back (a police turn-in, IIRC) and it's a pretty good pistol. It's prettier than most Walther PP "inspired" pistols and shoots just fine.
Used full-sized P-series Sigs, especially in 40 caliber, have been showing up on GB for cheap lately. My latest handgun goal is to score one (without the DAK trigger) for $300 or less. It's certainly possible, but it will probably take me a while. I'll post pics when it happens.
Here's the P230:
+1 on the P230 being great. Mine feeds much better than my .380 PPK did.
Gonna be tough finding a metal SIG under 3 bills. Might look for a SP2022, especially in .40. Basically a classic P-series with a poly frame. I see these around $300 sometimes.
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Nightlord, good advice on the SP2022. I'm seriously considering "settling" for one of those. If I can't get a steel one for $300 (I might even go up to $325) in the next month or so, I'll probably get an SP2022 instead. I've heard that they're decent pistols.
I've owned a number of Walther PP inspired pistols. The only one I've liked better than the P230 is a nice little FEG in 32acp. The Sig is prettier, but the FEG balances a little better for me.
I've owned a number of Walther PP inspired pistols. The only one I've liked better than the P230 is a nice little FEG in 32acp. The Sig is prettier, but the FEG balances a little better for me.
JR24
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There is no settling. The 2022 is a fantastic gun. My brothers (yes I know just a sample of one) has a better trigger than my 229 SRT and my old w. German 220. Its really, really smooth.
NIGHTLORD40K
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The vast majority of classic SIGs were aluminum framed, actually, aside from a handful of special editions and the P230/232 SL. The steel framed guns command a significant premium too.....Well poo. I kind of had my heart set on a steel one. However, since the 2022's seem to be a little less expensive, maybe I'll just go ahead and get one of them instead. It's starting to sound like a win/win situation.
GBExpat
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OK.
cal44mag
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Well, I just bought a P238 HD -- stainless steel 380.
Hope I didn't get one of the recent crops of lemons.
It's sitting in the 10 day waiting period, so haven't tried it yet -- although I rented one and it worked fine.
Anyone have any info on the reliability or recent P238's?
Hope I didn't get one of the recent crops of lemons.
It's sitting in the 10 day waiting period, so haven't tried it yet -- although I rented one and it worked fine.
Anyone have any info on the reliability or recent P238's?
NIGHTLORD40K
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I had a two tone Redwood edition a couple years ago. Very reliable with FMJ and JHP. Sold it because it was so pretty I couldn't bring myself to carry it. Been kicking myself ever since.......
Great gun!
tommy.duncan
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My P238 has been flawless. It shoots anything I put in the mag, FMJ or JHP it all goes bang.
Old Dog
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There's no "recent crop of lemons" where the P-238 is concerned. I consider it easily the best of the new micro-compact SA, hammer-fired .380s out there. Wife's 238 on the right, next to my 938. Splendid, fabulous, awesome trigger, accurate and 100% reliable.
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I had a SP2022 in S and W 40 cal. It was a good firearm. Had to get used to it’s top heavy feel, as it is a massive slide over the polymer lower. It shot well, but I sold it and got a FNX in 45 acp instead. Just like the feel better, plus I have massive hands, and the 2022’s grip was a bit small and short for me.
Madcap_Magician
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I actually switched completely to Sig polymer guns for carry. *shrug* Mine seem to work fine.
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