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I fondled a 320 "x-carry" recently. With the beavertail it feels real nice in my hands.

If I see a cheap 320 compact/carry I may pick one up and buy the x frame.
 
I was basically a hide-bound 1911-lovin' dinosaur for so long, I came very late to the DA/SA world, so I haven't been owning and shooting SIG pistols very long, really ... only since about 1994 or so when I was issued my first SIG ... all I can say is that, in my experience, the current incarnations of SIG P-series pistols do everything the old W. German/German pistols do with improved ergonomics and superior sights (of course, the legendary reliability and out-of-the-box accuracy is still there).

Question: How many SIG snobs does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: Fifteen; one to actually swap the bulb out while fourteen convene a six-hour discussion about how great the old bulb was.
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I got the light bulb question wrong. I thought three two to rotate the ladder and one on it holding onto the bulb. This attitude is not limited to SIG fans. For example, many Glock fans swear Gen I and Gen II were the best that despite lack of light rail and dual recoil spring system, crazzzzy.
 
Old Dog said:
I was basically a hide-bound 1911-lovin' dinosaur for so long, I came very late to the DA/SA world, so I haven't been owning and shooting SIG pistols very long, really ... only since about 1994 or so when I was issued my first SIG ... all I can say is that, in my experience, the current incarnations of SIG P-series pistols do everything the old W. German/German pistols do with improved ergonomics and superior sights (of course, the legendary reliability and out-of-the-box accuracy is still there).

Question: How many SIG snobs does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: Fifteen; one to actually swap the bulb out while fourteen convene a six-hour discussion about how great the old bulb was.
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Nice collection!

I think the US vs. German thing just gave us something to gripe about years ago, but its universally accepted now that the metal framed pistols derived from the classic SIG pattern are all fine guns.

The debate now is if the plastic SIGs ( not counting the SP2022), which have no genetic lineage connecting them to the company's trademark legacy, are worthy of their ancestors. Do they stand out from the crowd of other modern poly pistols with better reliability, ergonomics, or features the way the old Panzer SIGs did with their peers?

IMO, the new generation SIGs are OK, but not really any better than a Glock, XD, or M&P except in very tiny measures which are largely subjective. Some folks like the sights better or the grip, or the trigger- but all of these pistols will get the job done well enough for a fraction of the price and weight of their metal ancestors.

Good guns, sure, but not special. And in a field of competent peers, ANY quality problem is a big deal.

I'm sure the Army will love their new, cheap, disposable SIGs.......but not for me.
Guess I'm too snobby......and I'm OK with it.
 
paulsj said:
...many Glock fans swear Gen I and Gen II were the best that despite lack of light rail and dual recoil spring system, crazzzzy.
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It rather depends on your intended use.

For years I had no use for a WML rail. The dual recoil spring assembly was only to address their issue with the .40 chambering.

For me the advantage of not having finger grooves on the front strap and not having to deal with BTF made the Gen2 9mm a superior choice
 
NIGHTLORD40K said:
IMO, the new generation SIGs are OK, but not really any better than a Glock, XD, or M&P except in very tiny measures which are largely subjective. Some folks like the sights better or the grip, or the trigger- but all of these pistols will get the job done well enough for a fraction of the price and weight of their metal ancestors.
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But it is those tiny measures that make all the difference when folks choose between pistols.

The polymer SIGs feel a lot like a Classic P-series in the hand. The trigger, while a bit oversprung, is a huge improvement over the Glock and very comparable to the XD
 
Fans of any platform will down play their flaws and play to their strengths. Most every time ive purchased the "best" of anything, I soon learned that my outdated "junk" was as good.
The first sig I bought was a 220. "One of the most reliable super duper service guns of all time". It took 3 different types of ammo to find one that would even fit in the magazine. I'm almost positive that a 45 acp bullet would be falling out of the magazine before the length caused it to fail to fit in any glock, xd, m&p etc. Its very accurate, rivaling some of my more costly 1911s and beating the H&K in accuracy.(and ergonomics by a wide margin imo)
As far as being through with things because of throwing a tantrum over bad experiences I've been there too. My first 1911 (70 series colt.btw) was basically a single shot. And my first 10-22 never would make it through a 10 rd mag. I've got a couple cheap since then and haven't got a good one yet.
When I decided my mustang with 200k miles on it was worn out My first new vehicle was a "professional grade" 04 GMC Sierra. I babied it, but after its 16th trip to the dealer I traded it with 18,000 miles on it. (Ironically for an 08 Rubicon that was only slightly more reliable, it now has 50k). I'll never own a mopar again. And likely never another GM, although their dealer support was excellent. The mustang got parked with over 350k and still runs, just a bit hard to go straight... or stop... or take a curve. I know well that none of those (except the Mopar, I went there twice... no more) are the "norm". Chevy makes many good vehicles. Colt and Ruger make great arms majority of the time, but after going through it, I Know the "through with" something feeling. At least for a while
 
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The first sig I bought was a 220. "One of the most reliable super duper service guns of all time". It took 3 different types of ammo to find one that would even fit in the magazine. I'm almost positive that a 45 acp bullet would be falling out of the magazine before the length caused it to fail to fit in any glock, xd, m&p etc. Its very accurate, rivaling some of my more costly 1911s and beating the H&K in accuracy.(and ergonomi
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I had the same problem with my P220. Worked fine until 2012 or so then all the sudden factory ammo seemed to have around 20% rounds loaded too long to feed in the SIG. Ironically, from a "reliability reputation, I just ran those rounds through my Kimber 1911 without issue.

Eventually I decided if I was going to shoot a full size, 8 shot, .45 ACP my 1911s fit the bill better and the Sig went on down the road.

Although I somehow ended up with another SIG .45, a P245, that I dont like and need to sell one of these days, hopefully get a Glock 30 Gen 4 out of it.
 
There are guns that bring about a pleasant shooting experience. When found we tend to gravitate to others in the line because of that experience factor we wish to repeat. When a bad experience occurs, we may give it an other shot or two but get burned and bye-bye. This scenario is pretty wide spread and we read of problems that people swear off of brand X due to their encounter-warranty with a particular model. Even worse if it happens with other models from the manufacturer.

Same can be said for many new products that come to market, we are part of the beta testing.
 
I just think H&K and Sig fans tend to be more biased. I own the flagship models of both brands but see plenty of downfalls to both too. I've never met a Ruger/ glock/ beretta/xd/ nor M&P fan who owned multiple firearms but only one brand. Many Sig and HK guys claim to do just that. Say they won't have anything else. Colt fans aren't far behind them. Of course thats all just in my experience.
I did recently laugh at two guys (both gun collectors and friends of mine) for assuming a co worker was lying because he said he had a glock that jammed a lot. I'm leaning toward the fact that he was , at least, exaggerating, I actually know the kid and his dad, but they immediately balked at the suggestion of his glock jamming. I told them I'm pretty sure it has happened before. Maybe even a couple times. Lol
 
I have a number of different brands that I like to shoot. I like them because they work well for me. There are also some very popular brands that I would not consider owning and I base that decision solely on past personal experience with them.
There is no blind brand loyalty here. Guns in my collection have to prove themselves or they go down the road.

I’ve been shooting for over half a century and have had a chance to try a few. . . . . . . .
 
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