So I know I'm an oddball but do any guns, past, present, future, have these features?

Other than the decocker and magazine safety, it sounds like one of the smaller Springfield XD types.

Canik . It has a decocker on the top of the slide. It has all the features you want.

Frame and grip safety, plus decocker? Wow.

Cant say as that they make a gun with all them redundant features. Your closest will likely suggested above. An XD, FN or HK have some but not all of your requests.

I guess the Ruger SR9c has a frame and magazine safety, no grip safety though. Good little gun though.

If people spent more time shooting guns then reading about them, they would find that there are a lot of features on some guns that are put there for people that don't shoot much.

GunnyUSMC said:

If people spent more time shooting guns then reading about them, they would find that there are a lot of features on some guns that are put there for people that don't shoot much.

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You owe me a keyboard!
What you say is likely very true. But it's still funny .....

That's a lot of features...........

We could call it the "Redunderator".

GunnyUSMC said:

If people spent more time shooting guns then reading about them, they would find that there are a lot of features on some guns that are put there for people that don't shoot much.

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It's been my experience as an instructor that folks who want multiple manual safeties usually do not shoot/handle their weapons enough to feel comfortable with them. when the weapon becomes "a part of your hand" you will no longer feel the need for manual safeties.

THAT MANY redundant safeties will probably leave the shooter finding that he or she didn't deactivate one of them when she or he needed to.

I have an XDm and like it a lot, and it took a while to get comfortable with the grip safety -- you couldn't just grab the gun and pull the trigger -- it had to be RIGHT in your hand. Had there also been a frame safety to deal with, (and, perhaps, overlook) -- I would have just traded it away.

The only REAL safety is between your ears.

Such a warm welcome to a new member guys....

Guyver, that combination of features hasn't been made as far as I'm aware. The easiest route would be to decide which safety you don't absolutely have to have and go from there. On second thought the XDe might have all three but I think it is just a single stack. Good luck and welcome to the high road.

I don't think Cheygriz was being snarky when he responded as he did. I suspect he was just making a simple statement that is undeniably true: the most important safety mechanism isn't built into the gun. I generally agree.

That said, there are times when I'd like a frame-mounted safety on a SA gun with a round chambered, for example.

If I were to carry that SA gun with round chambered and the safety off, you might say that the most important safety mechanism has already malfunctioned!!

As others have said, I'm not aware of all those features on a single gun. If you were willing to accept a frame-mounted, down-to-fire manual safety in lieu of the grip safety, a S&W M&P can be had with a lot of the rest, and I think that's true for the M&P Compact as well.

IRMacGuyver said:

decocker or magazine safety if the decocker is too much to ask?

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I'm curious as to how those two features would be regarded as substitutes for one another. They serve pretty different purposes. The decocker is to make the first shot a longer/heavier trigger pull. The magazine safety is to prevent administrative handling accidents ("honest, chief, I thought it was unloaded!") and/or provide an emergency "kill switch" for a gun that is being grabbed by an assailant. They don't really have much to do with one another... I'm interested in the OP's thoughts as to how they relate or might substitute for one another.

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Such a warm welcome to a new member guys....

Guyver, that combination of features hasn't been made as far as I'm aware. The easiest route would be to decide which safety you don't absolutely have to have and go from there. On second thought the XDe might have all three but I think it is just a single stack. Good luck and welcome to the high road.

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No grip safety on an XD E. Which makes sense, with a frame mounted safety and a decocker, there doesnt seem to be a need for the grip safety (or the frame safety AFAIAC if you ain't going cocked and locked)

I wasn't being snarky at all. Simply stating that caution and common sense are better "safeties" than any mechanical device.

Careful driving is the best way to stay safe in a car... but I still want my cars to have seat belts and airbags. Neither is a substitute for the other. And wanting the latter is not a sign that you are planning to fail on the former.

ATLDave said:

Careful driving is the best way to stay safe in a car... but I still want my cars to have seat belts and airbags. Neither is a substitute for the other. And wanting the latter is not a sign that you are planning to fail on the former.

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While I agree, seatbelts and airbags are a good thing.

But a practiced and confident driver might not want a speed governer, lane and brake assist and proximity warnings. Etc, etc

My dads truck has all that jazz and I find it both unnessary and distracting. For me, YMMV.

That said, if it works for someone else, great.

If we were really trying to get close on an automotive analogy, it would be an emergency/hand brake. It has the potential to frustrate/confuse a driver who is not used to it (like a safety), but allows another way of exerting manual control over the functionality of the car (like a safety). It's also similar to a safety in that, just because you have the e-brake applied, you shouldn't push the accelerator while the car is in gear and someone is in immediately front of you - just as you should point the gun at something you don't want to shoot and/or get your finger on the trigger merely because you have the safety on.

ETA: Gosh, I've lost track of which safeties we were even talking about. Who knows?

An XD gets you close, in a striker fired pistol.
A CZ gets you close, in a DA/SA pistol.

Both are remarkably safe if you do your part. Once you take some time to study trigger styles, you'll see that you don't need all of the safeties sometimes, to still properly use the pistol.

For example, on a DA/SA pistol, once decocked, you should carry it with the safety off. The safety is usually just for when it's in SA mode, and you need to move. You may see some DA/SA pistols that only have a decocker. Or the option of one or the other, but not both.

For a striker fired pistol, we generally only use the thumb safety when reholstering it, and turn it back off once in the holster.

With the XD, I hold it low and loose, to get off the grip safety when reholstering it.

Generally, I only use Kydex Raven or Crossbreed holsters now.

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For a striker fired pistol, we generally only use the thumb safety when reholstering it, and turn it back off once in the holster.

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With a well-positioned thumb safety, that is totally pointless. The safety will have pressure applied by the strong-side thumb during shooting regardless. Doesn't matter whether it was on in holster, it's off by the time you're close to on-target or you're doing something odd.

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For a striker fired pistol, we generally only use the thumb safety when reholstering it, and turn it back off once in the holster.

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I find this a dangerous practice as it is possible (and has happened to me) to engage the safety while in the holster and you probably are not practiced to disengage on the draw. I am a proponent of using, and training to use all safety features present on a gun.

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With the XD, I hold it low and loose, to get off the grip safety when reholstering it.

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When I had an XD I put my thumb on the top of the slide while holstering, like you would if you were riding the hammer on a DA/SA. Comfortable motion and still disengages the safety.

Cz P-09 only has the decocker (which can be user- swapped out for a manual thumb safety if desired). It does not have a magazine safety or a grip safety. And it is also a large service sized weapon. I think the p-07 is smaller but w/ similar features ( I do not have the 07 so I could be wrong here)

JR24 said:

I find this a dangerous practice as it is possible (and has happened to me) to engage the safety while in the holster and you probably are not practiced to disengage on the draw. I am a proponent of using, and training to use all safety features present on a gun.



When I had an XD I put my thumb on the top of the slide while holstering, like you would if you were riding the hammer on a DA/SA. Comfortable motion and still disengages the safety.

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I was thinking of an M&P manual safety, but agree. That's why I dislike manual safeties on striker fired pistols, and prefer the decock only lever on DA/SA pistols.

In my opinion. If you want hardcore safeties. But still want speed in the draw. A good cocked and locked 1911 is the way to go. (assuming you spend enough to get a decent one)

Are there any DA/SA pistols that will NOT allow the safety to be turned on when decocked?