.30-06AI or .30 Gibbs?

Gibbs, all the way.

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if I were to do any, it would be the 3006 ai, not a gibbs because of cases and no hard work to load. but has I have several 300 win mags that will do what the 30 gibbs will do already. but if its for shacks-giggles go for it.

.30-06AI just because

Swap bolt head.

308 Norma Mag FTW!

Am I seeing this right, the only difference between 30-06AI and 30 Gibbs is the Gibbs has a shorter neck and therefore a longer body and more capacity?

As long as I can easily fire form from 30-06, I'll change my answer to 30 Gibbs.

Easy would be neck up 280AI case and more case capacity than 30-06AI. You might be real close to the Gibbs and be no fire forming. Nosler has loading data 30-06AI.

I do Gibbs over AI.

I would skip both and go with either the 308 Norma mag, (great round}, or the 9.3x62, but out of the two choices I would opt for 06-AI

.308 WIN

But since you have a long action Savage, I would tend to go with the 30-06ai for various reasons, not the least of these easy of brass creation.

My dad did both and I think he like the Gibbs better, but his favored bullet weight was 165s the ai my handle the heavy bullets better. I don't remember him having any problem when fireforming either.
The was a wildcat that was like the Gibbs with the shoulder pushed up even further, I can't remember the name tho.

How do you think you will use the rifle, the Ai would be a little cheaper but not much.

I personally prefer a false shoulder to fireform. Jamming works, but I feel like I can actually do work with my fireforming loads if I run a false shoulder. Jamming that hard means the bullet’s not coming back out if I try to eject a loaded round.

Between the 06AI and Gibbs, I’d probably stay AI. It asks the case to do a little less to get there, and retains the ability to shoot factory loads in a pinch. I assume this will be more of a hunting rifle than a high volume shooter, so the day is more likely to come where you just want/need rounds at hand, but don’t have any fireformed or loaded or the right bullet or whatever... If memory serves, the Gibbs may well end up sticking the base below the body/shoulder junction in a lot of 180-200grn high BC pills with longer boattails, as it has less than a bullet diameter of case neck. It might be an old notion, and I have shot a lot of 300wm’s very well with my base below the shoulder, but that’s a design flaw by precision cartridge standards.

Either will work exceptionally well, and the Gibbs has the cool factor, being an extra step removed from the milquetoast .30-06, but I’m not sure the extra speed tickles my fancy enough to do the extra work.

What Varminterror said. Except I think the 30-06 AI would be cool just because it's different. Having a supply of 280 AI brass from Nosler makes fire forming a piece of cake.

Think you would have to push the shoulder back in the 280ai brass.

troy fairweather said:

Think you would have to push the shoulder back in the 208ai brass.

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If you PM your address, I'll send you new 280AI case neck to 30 cal.

I wouldn't do either...

There's nothing wrong with the std. 30-06 as it is!

DM

Between the 2 mentioned: Gibbs. Why? Because I've never heard of it before today (and that's saying something...). And, when you get to the range people will have that look like, 'Dude you're crazy!' Yep. Crazy like that.

OTOH: Just do one of them: I like both ideas...

Greg

old heeler said:

If you PM your address, I'll send you new 280AI case neck to 30 cal.

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You would have to send them to loonlulf lol.

troy fairweather said:

You would have to send them to loonlulf lol.

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old age is setting in. Thanks

I have a cigarbox full of .30 Gibbs formed brass and I THINK the dies I'll give for postage if really interested. I had an 1903 Springfield sporter in that caliber I sold.20 years ago. I believe you can't just fireform the brass like a 30-06 Ackly IMP. It does approach .300 Win Mag I believe or .308 Norma.

Very kind of you Gordon

Gordon said:

I have a cigarbox full of .30 Gibbs formed brass and I THINK the dies I'll give for postage if really interested. I had an 1903 Springfield sporter in that caliber I sold.20 years ago. I believe you can't just fireform the brass like a 30-06 Ackly IMP. It does approach .300 Win Mag I believe or .308 Norma.

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Very cool of you @Gordon

I did a little poking around on the internet and believe you are correct. @Varminterror also mentioned it. The Gibbs will require the extra step of creating a false shoulder to headspace off of to fire form the brass as apposed to the Ackley were you can just load a 06 round and go.

Not that big a deal I guess since you only have to do it one time