differences between .308 and 30-06

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I understand that 30-06 is a long case requiring long actions. In terms of performance the longer case has more volume therefore using more powder to do the same basic function. As a .308 does in its shorter case which allows for a shorter action. I continuously see .308 being the go-to round over 30-06 for long range shooting, hunting etc. Has .308 supplanted 30-06 simply because it is short action? Is it all in the tacticool ar-10 platform? Is there a performance edge to one over the other? Why would a new round (relatively) be so welcomed to dethrone the cartridge king of North America?
 
In terms of facts and actual performance difference, consider the following:

.308 Win, 175gr SMK, @ 2500 FPS -
  • Effective Range: 1000 meters (before bullet becomes subsonic, losing stability and accuracy)
  • Effected by Gravity (@ MR): 450", or ~12.5 mils
  • Effected by 10 MPH full-value Wind (@ MR): 106", or ~3 mils
  • Offers 522 ft/lbs energy @ max range

.30-06 Springfield, 190gr SMK, @ 2625 FPS -
  • Effective Range: 1100 meters (before bullet becomes subsonic, etc)
  • Effected by Gravity (@ MR): 506", or ~12.8 mils
  • Effected by 10 MPH full-value Wind (@ MR): 115", or ~3 mils
  • Offers 589 ft/lbs energy @ max range

Real-World Summary: Gain 100 yards of effective range, with similar results at respective maximum distances. No significant difference for most peoples' uses, I think. For those who do shoot out this far with some regularity, there are other, more efficient choices.

Ballistics information was gathered through JBM using bullet info from manufacturer website, and load data from my Lyman 49th Edition manual.
 
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Boh cartridges were originally usd and designed by the military. At some point the government decided the 30-06 was a bit space inefficient (like the 45 ACP) and felt a more compact case would do 90% of the older '06.

The other guys can further elaborate.
 
My opinion which doesn't mean squat. If I was hunting bigger animals like elk, moose, or Grizzly. I'd opt for an "06" with 200 or 220 grn bullet, otherwise 308 will tackle all the rest ( deer, caribou, black bear, etc...) with a 165 grn bullet and never look back. :D Oh btw, if you check to see what reloading dies sell the most; 30-06 surpasses all the others in annual sales for many years now. The allure of the 06 is it's been around since 1906, and is the basis for comparison across the board; It's just as good as an 06-or-it's more powerful/flatter than an 06. the 06 is never a bad choice.
 
The cost of reloading is cheaper with .308, takes way less powder for the performance. Brass is cheaper, it is a case that is inherently more accurate. But the 30-06 says America!
 
According to my manuals the 30-06 is capable of throwing the 200+ grn bullets at the significant 2400 fps. Which from what I have read becomes relevant when hunting the big and dangerous stuff found in North America.

For hunting only, I would go 30-06. For any other shooting, I prefer .308. A .308 would wear a barrel out slower, so I could shoot the gun more without worrying about it.

For the most part, I feel the difference is academic.
 
I understand that 30-06 is a long case requiring long actions. In terms of performance the longer case has more volume therefore using more powder to do the same basic function. As a .308 does in its shorter case which allows for a shorter action. I continuously see .308 being the go-to round over 30-06 for long range shooting, hunting etc. Has .308 supplanted 30-06 simply because it is short action? Is it all in the tacticool ar-10 platform? Is there a performance edge to one over the other? Why would a new round (relatively) be so welcomed to dethrone the cartridge king of North America?
Generational thing too. WW1 and WW2...Korea vets tended to stay with the cartridge that may have saved them. Plus...I remember when surplus military 30-06 rifles could be bought through mail-order and department stores as casually as a pair of shoes. Surplus and remanufactured ammo for 88 cents a box of twenty at Sears.

The next generation vets were exposed to the .308 in the M-14 and surplus ammo and components were still available up until...well...you know.

There are a tremendous amount of great-grandpa's and grandpa's sporterized 1903 and 1917 rifles sitting in hunter's closets today. They gotta be fed. I have a nephew that hunts with his great-grandfather's 1903 every year.

An interesting footnote is that during the most recent ammo panic of a couple or three years ago .308 was hard to find; especially in semi-auto rifles and ammo at the LGS. However, 30-06 never ran dry.

Different generations...different attitudes.
 
Not to hijack the thread, but I agree the .308 can be the more accurate cartridge. My question to other members is what percentage of shooters can take advantage of this inherent increase in accuracy?

I have both and on any given day I'm no more accurate with one than the other. In other words, I'm probably not a good enough shooter to take advantage. FWIW, I seldom shoot over 300 yards with either.
 
In 1903 the 30-03 was developed to shoot a 220 gr bullet for the military. Shortly after being introduced the military decided 220 gr was just too heavy and they changed to 150 gr bullets. In order to work better with the lighter bullet the cartridge case was tweaked very slightly and became the 30-06 we know today. The existing 30-03 rifles were modified to work with the new cartridge. The original loading was a 150 gr bullet @ 2700 fps

Savage introduced a short action hunting cartridge in 1920, the 300 Savage that would match the 150gr @ 2700 fps. By the start of WW-2 the 30-06 military load had been increased to 2800 fps

By the 1950's the military was looking for a smaller cartridge, Winchester modified the 300 Savage to create the 308 Winchester and it matched 30-06 speeds of 150 gr @ 2800 fps. It was introduced to hunters and as a military round at about the same time.

As a military round the 308 was an experiment that didn't really work as well as hoped. It was still too big and had more recoil than they wanted. It found it's niche as a hunting round, as a military sniper round and in machine guns. The 308's advantage in accuracy is real, but not enough for typical shooters to ever notice.

With the best loads available today a 30-06 will push a 150 gr bullet to 3100 fps, a 308 can reach 3000 fps. That 100 fps advantage to the 30-06 does get a little larger as bullet weight goes up. By the time you get to 200-220 gr bullets the 30-06 has closer to 150 fps advantage.

As a hunting cartridge the 308 has several advantages. The 308 is only about 3-4% slower, at normal ranges no game animal will notice the difference. But it uses about 20% less powder and with about 20% less recoil than 30-06. That recoil difference adds up after firing a lot of rounds.

It also allows the use of lighter, more compact rifles. The difference between long and short action rifles alone is 1/4 to 1/2 lb. Plus other weight savings practices allow a 308 to be built much lighter. My Kimber 308 is still under 6 lbs including optics and mounts. Even if you could get a 30-06 that light, recoil would just be too much. My sub 6 lb 308 has recoil almost identical to a 7.5 lb 30-06 and is not bad at all. Recoil from a 7.5 lb 308 is virtually nothing.

The 308 can be used with heavier 200-220 gr bullets, although it is rarely loaded with bullets heavier than 180 gr.

In the real world the 30-06 has a razor thin advantage in range. About 50 yards all things being equal. The bullets trajectory are pretty darn close, but once a bullet slows below a certain point expansion on game becomes questionable. The 308 has what it takes out to at least 400-500 yards. Most people can't shoot that far with anything.

I started with a 30-06 way back in the 1970's. It is a good round, but I would not advise a new shooter to buy one. The 308 comes close enough with a lot less recoil. In fact modern bullets and loadings have made the 308 much bigger than needed. If you discount big bears the 6.5mm cartridges are more than enough and an even better target round. If you do include the big bears even a 30-06 is borderline. You really need 2 guns anyway if you ever plan on hunting brown bear in Alaska.
 
The 308 is well suited for deer sized game out to extended ranges. My 180gr handloads are on par with 30-06 factory loads. For heavy game I use a heavier caliber.
 
I have both, the reason I have more 308's than -06's is because the only rifle brass I come across more often than .223 is 308.
 
Shot deer with both but prefer the 30-06. My BIL and hunting partner uses a .308. We have both killed a lot of deer and we don't have the conversation about which is better. They both do the job.
 
I understand that 30-06 is a long case requiring long actions. In terms of performance the longer case has more volume therefore using more powder to do the same basic function. As a .308 does in its shorter case which allows for a shorter action. I continuously see .308 being the go-to round over 30-06 for long range shooting, hunting etc. Has .308 supplanted 30-06 simply because it is short action? Is it all in the tacticool ar-10 platform? Is there a performance edge to one over the other? Why would a new round (relatively) be so welcomed to dethrone the cartridge king of North America?

The short answer to this is: the current USGI service rifle cartridge has always found great popularity among American sportsmen. It was that way when the .45-70 was introduced, for the .30-40 Krag, the .30-06, the .308, and now the .223. Honestly, you cannot go wrong with either the .308 or .30-06.

Don
 
If you want a .30 target rifle, Bart will tell you the .308 is more accurate.
If you hunt big game, a heavily loaded .30-06 will equal the original Super .30 (.300 H&H Magnum.)
If you hunt medium game or are a casual target shooter, go with your gut.
 
If you build a .308 and a .30-06 rifle the same way and shoot ammo tuned for the rifle then the target will never know the difference.
 
"What's the difference between .308 and .30/06?"

Surprised no one has posted,
"About 12 millimeters..."

When it comes down to it, .308 is a more efficient and better performer in a semi automatic action while the .30/06 is a versatile effective. and accurate bolt action cartridge.
 
If you've got little hands buy a 308. If you've got big hands buy a 30-06. The 30-06 cartridges are a lot easier for a big man with gloves to handle in cold weather because the bullet always comes out pointing to the front!
 
Didn't we just do this?

Edit: Ah, here we go:

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=784232
Well, the thread started differently and I gor more, better info. To grossly over simplify things...

History...30-03 was powerful but too heavy so they cut bullet weight and gained some efficiency with a few tweaks to create 30-06. 30-06 was plenty powerful but rounds were long making rifles long and heavy so they cut it down and made 308 losing just a bit of power but gaining in efficiency.

Real world use...308 is weaker than 30-06 but not much, hard to tell except in heavy bullet weights.

Technical...308 is more efficient but limited by case volume. 30-06 is less efficient but can be pepped up more because it has more volume. 30-06 can handle heavier bullets easier than .308 due to more push behind the bullet.

Popularity...AR10, fnfal, m14, current sniper rifles make .308 more desirable to younger crowd who used that cartridge in battle and grew up around. Older generation favor the 30-06 which they used in battle and grew up around.

Critters die from both but 30-06 has a tad further reach.
 
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