I couldn't think of a single shooting where the person or animal was shot with a 9mm and lived, but would have died if the round would have been a .40S&W or a .45acp. And I could not think of a single shooting where a person or animal was shot with a .40S&W or a .45acp and died, but would have survived if the round would have been a 9mm.
17 rounds is usually enough.....until it isn't. I've never been in a gunfight and thought "I wish I brought less ammo". (Actually I have never been in a gun fight)
I think it is now time we all just move to the 5.7. Why are we even talking 17 rds? More is always better. The very least I will now carry is a 5.7 with 20 rds and a few spare mags.(6 mags to be exact, actually add one more for lucky 7 and a even 160 rd total carry)
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Talking with SWAT guys that have used the 5.7 I won't be switching anytime soon. It's developed a track record of poor performance during LE gunfights
I wonder how one would go about proving that a larger caliber would have done it when 9mm didn't, or that 9mm wouldn't have when a larger caliber did?
I suppose there's always the 1986 FBI Miami-Dade shootout to consider. That might be the closest we get to being able to say a heavier or bigger bullet might have done it.
Problem is, 1911’s are heavy to carry. Having weighed probable need, to pain in belt line, I have gone with 8 rounds of 9mm. Sad, I know.
I suppose there's always the 1986 FBI Miami-Dade shootout to consider. That might be the closest we get to being able to say a heavier or bigger bullet might have done it.
If you're talking about the bullet that went through Platt's arm, that shot severed his brachial artery and would have killed him it was just a matter of how soon.
Capacity and caliber don't rate quite as high on my own priority list as they may for some other folks. Have a gun. Be very familiar with it. Be able to run it hard, fast and accurately. The rest are more or less nuances of gear attributes.
Big Ditto!!I wish we had something superior to the like button!
That's what I was referring to.
I agree, it would have killed him, certainly without medical attention. But not quite as soon as a lot of people would have liked. And of course the point isn't to kill eventually, the point is to stop the threat right now.
The time it takes for someone to be incapacitated from a wound like that is going to vary depending on many factors up to and including the persons will to continue fighting.
A few years back my department had a detective killed by a murder suspect they were trying to catch. He sprung an ambush on them.
As the detectives pulled up to the scene in their car the bad guy opened fire on them with a 357 magnum. One round hit the plain clothes detective square in the chest and right through his heart. The detective got out of his car, and shot the bad guy 11 times with his rifle before succumbing to his wounds.
The moral of the story is people dont just drop dead unless you destroy the upper central nervous system.
Shoots great, never a bobble from round one.Man, that Kimber is a nice looking gun for sure. How does it shoot?
Agreed, a whole lot of other things have to go right first.Capacity and caliber don't rate quite as high on my own priority list as they may for some other folks
lot of folks don't consider loaded weight. Good call.I would look at which one I shoot better (regarding speed and accuracy) as well as the loaded weight.
All other things being equal ...... sigh They never are....Which would be your choice to conceal. Size is the same.
I don’t totally believe that service calibers are very similar in performance.
Someone mentioned DocGKR and prior to the FBI decision he stated he carried a 9mm as a Civilian but would carry a .40 S&W if allowed as a Uniformed Police Officer. My perception was he believed in a Compact 9mm advantage out weighed any minor disadvantage. In a Full Size Duty Gun the reverse.
If I remember right he said that had to do with barrier penetration because as a cop he would be more likely to have to be shooting at people that were behind cars
In a perfect world, I'd pick the .45... but I live in the Real World, and the size and weight of my Kimber .45 was a distraction... so much so that I was leaving it in the truck or on the dresser. Completely departing from the OP... maybe the 'evil of 2 lessers...' I carry a 7rd 9mm daily. Key phrase is 'I carry;' which translates to I have it on me... not in the truck or on the dresser. Rule #1: Bring a gun.