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That's what I'm hoping. Once I burn up all that TiteGroup, which seems to last forever, I've got both SportPistol and W244 to fool with in the 9mm..

I’ve liked sport pistol so far. Still tinkering around with it some as I’ve added a new 9mm to the collection.
my Glock 19 does well with the RMR 124gr MW 3.8gr sport pistol @ 1.080”

tinkering around with my Glock 26 with different charges (3.8-4.1gr sport pistol) and OAL now.(anything under SAMMI max OAL as my aftermarket barrel plunks with a OAL of 1.169”)
 
As you may have guessed, Unique is my favorite handgun powder... but the one place I don't care for it is the 9mm. When I was first loading for my BHP, I had serious problems with primer flow and, almost in the same magazine-full... short cycle. Hindsight tells me there was a problem with my powder measure, and very likely bullet seating depth (I didn't understand the direct relationship of the two back then...) I probably need to revisit Unique in the 9mm, but, let's face it, there are probably better powders that flow smaller charges more accurately.

Using TiteGroup I can see where it would be a pretty good choice, I just don't care for how hot it burns. I think Hodgdon will eventually replace W231/HP38 with W244 in the lineup, so I might as well start with it. It's burn rate is slightly faster than Unique, but slower than TG and W231, so I'm hoping it will be a good powder for both full-house 9mm loads and 200grn .45ACP loads... that's my Quest, anyway. Sport Pistol is another likely candidate. I was not happy with BE-86, so I'll burn that up in the .45 Colt or something and be done with it.
 
My 9mm oal is mostly 1.090
Be sure to feed some sample rounds by headstamp (Note different case wall thickness) from magazine to ensure you are not experiencing bullet setback that could compress powder chrage.

Unlike other straight walled semi-auto calibers like 40S&W/45ACP, since 9mm uses tapered case with base being larger than case neck, be careful how far you seat the bullet as seating deep and deeper at some point will start to reduce neck tension to the point where the bullet will simply drop down once bullet base reaches tapered part of case neck.

Due to this reason, I now limit seating of 115/124 gr FMJ/RN to 1.100" and no shorter as OAL of 1.135" down to 1.100" will essentially produce no bullet setback when fed from the magazine in my Glocks for most .355"-.356" sized bullets but loading shorter will start to produce bullet setback - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...neck-tension-and-bullet-setback.830072/page-4
 
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Be sure to feed some sample rounds by headstamp (Note different case wall thickness) from magazine to ensure you are not experiencing bullet setback that could compress powder chrage.

Unlike other straight walled semi-auto calibers like 40S&W/45ACP, since 9mm uses tapered case with base being larger than case neck, be careful how far you seat the bullet as seating deep and deeper at some point will start to reduce neck tension to the point where the bullet will simply drop down once bullet base reaches tapered part of case neck.

Due to this reason, I now limit seating of 115/124 gr FMJ/RN to 1.100" and no shorter as OAL of 1.135" down to 1.100" will essentially produce no bullet setback when fed from the magazine in my Glocks for most .355"-.356" sized bullets but loading shorter will start to produce bullet setback - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...neck-tension-and-bullet-setback.830072/page-4
I use that setting because it was directly out of my Lyman manual. I have not experienced setback that I have observed but if 1.10 is proven to be better why not use it. I cant immagine it will do much to my load, thanks for the heads up.
 
I use Power Pistol for my 9mm loads, and like the 115 grain bullets, generally Hornady XTP, occasionally their FMJ-RN's. I seat to a COL of 1.075 with no crimp and have had no setback issues. I have had some failures to feed at longer lengths. (Ruger LC9, and Springfield EMP4). The EMP is a bit more choosy than the Ruger in that regard.
 
I use that setting because it was directly out of my Lyman manual.
Published load data COL/OAL vary because test barrels they used to measure chamber pressures have different leade (Space bullet jumps from case to start of rifling). And since most universal barrel fixtures used for testing are single shot that do not feed from the magazine, us reloaders must determine the OAL that will work in our pistols/barrels/magazines.

Check out this detailed outline for properly determining maximum and working OAL and to fine tune the load for accuracy - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11400667

And this post for more "advanced" reloading details and considerations - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11419509

Enjoy!
 
Published load data COL/OAL vary because test barrels they used to measure chamber pressures have different leade (Space bullet jumps from case to start of rifling). And since most universal barrel fixtures used for testing are single shot that do not feed from the magazine, us reloaders must determine the OAL that will work in our pistols/barrels/magazines.

Check out this detailed outline for properly determining maximum and working OAL and to fine tune the load for accuracy - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11400667

And this post for more "advanced" reloading details and considerations - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11419509

Enjoy!
i did a deep dive into your last article on seating depth. Tons of great testing and information. The case data was most interesting. I wonder if different dies make a major impact. I can't imagine that a carbide die does a taper like the old all steel dies did.
 
I can't imagine that a carbide die does a taper like the old all steel dies did.
Lee carbide sizer is tapered and with radiused die opening, will produce smooth resized cases like these - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/9mm-resize-die.863126/page-2#post-11381953

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And look at the taper of finished rounds

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I may have to measure some cases out of my rcbs dies. I have everything sized and flared ready for loading. I see a lot of people with wasp waisted loads so that's why i was so curious. The dual ring sizers are supposed to be exactly for this purpose but i have yet to dive on that grenade yet.
 
I have 16# Universal that I got last summer. I’m trying it out in everything I load/shoot at this point, as I need to work through this stuff as fast as I can. My Hornady powder dropper hates this stuff, and won’t drop a charge 2x in a row, let alone 50 or 100 charges...so I’m learning the exquisite joys of trickling up every round. At least I know my loads are consistent, using my Bald Eagle digital scale...it reads out to hundredths, and is spot on using a set of check weights.
Currently, settled on 4.8gr Universal under 124gr JHP RN from Everglades Ammo. Seating to 1.125”, which my Kimber Micro 9 loves. Tested a ladder, and this was most consistent charge from its short barrel.
 
I may have to measure some cases out of my rcbs dies. I have everything sized and flared ready for loading. I see a lot of people with wasp waisted loads so that's why i was so curious. The dual ring sizers are supposed to be exactly for this purpose but i have yet to dive on that grenade yet.

Wasp waist has to do with the expander die. Most mfg's dies are designed for jacketed bullets and they tend to error on the side of caution and make sure there's tons of neck tension when using their dies. Factory expanders don't go deep enough, it's easy to see the bullet bases in the reloads.
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A lee factory expander next to a lyman m-die, you can see the "high water mark" on the lee die where the case mouth ends. The lee die only does in the case 1/2 the depth of the m-die.
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Made a custom expander for the 9mm's that has 200%+ more depth then the lee factory expander plug.
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I use that custom expander to load .358" bullets like these for the 9mm's (+/- 3/1000th's taper crimp)
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Green bullet @ 50ft 10-shot group using 5.0gr of wst in a nm 1911
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red bullet @ 50yds 10-shot group using 2.0gr of americal select in a nm 1911
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For raw accuracy in the 9mm it's hard to beat wst or aa #2
 
I tend to agree with all of that, to include my observations that it also holds true in rifle rounds that i have loaded. I enjoy conversation so do not believe that i am arguing.
I also believe that a lot of people do think its important to use a powder that does not allow double charge and that comment was not pointed at you but more a positional statement.
My 9mm oal is mostly 1.090
Do you use the same OAL for all your 9’s or do you adjust for barrel length, bullet type, etc? A standard OAL would be great, just as one powder would as well, I’m still looking for that combo!
 
Do you use the same OAL for all your 9’s or do you adjust for barrel length, bullet type, etc? A standard OAL would be great, just as one powder would as well, I’m still looking for that combo!
Reference this thread to give you a good idea what working OAL will work in multiple barrels/pistols using different brand/weight bullets - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...g-oal-col-for-reference.848462/#post-11068318

And this step-by-step for "that combo" - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-and-discussions.778197/page-10#post-11419509
 
3.8 gr of TiteGroup under a 125 gr LRN ... 3.8 is the exact middle of the charge weights 3.6 - 4.0
Same here. While many reloaders don't like Titegroup because it burns hot and violent, I do like Titegroup for 9mm as it produces greater accuracy than W231/HP-38 - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...e-pistol-reloaders.746062/page-2#post-9382933

Here are 25 yard groups with Berry's regular plated bullets (solid base). While many people claim plated bullets are not as accurate as jacketed bullets, Berry's larger sizing (.356" instead of .355") may have helped to produce 2" group at 25 yards (My accuracy benchmark)

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Compared to accuracy reference loads - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...ts-and-discussions.778197/page-6#post-9924922

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As for lead and Titegroup, here's a comparison 10 yard testing I did with Bullseye and Promo with W231/HP-38 as reference - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...-for-147g-9mm-subsonics.824456/#post-10607922

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My Hornady powder dropper hates this stuff
Have to try Universal in my Hornady measure, my old Lee Pro Autodisk meters it fine in >4gr charges if there is a disk cavity that throws what you want.
Will need to try it in my Autodrum as well.

Generally I would say it meters decent, much better than say Unique...
 
I have 16# Universal that I got last summer. I’m trying it out in everything I load/shoot at this point, as I need to work through this stuff as fast as I can. My Hornady powder dropper hates this stuff, and won’t drop a charge 2x in a row, let alone 50 or 100 charges...

markr6754,
I need to ask if you are using the pistol sized metering insert in your Hornady thrower? They make a rifle and a pistol sized drum/inserts. If you use the rifle drum to throw light pistol what charge, you will curse at it all day long.
Wasn't sure if you were aware. My Hornady AP thrower with the right insert does a good job of throwing consistent charges. Never used Universal through it. I use a lot of International that I could experiment with if you would like.

Steve
 
markr6754,
I need to ask if you are using the pistol sized metering insert in your Hornady thrower? They make a rifle and a pistol sized drum/inserts. If you use the rifle drum to throw light pistol what charge, you will curse at it all day long.
Wasn't sure if you were aware. My Hornady AP thrower with the right insert does a good job of throwing consistent charges. Never used Universal through it. I use a lot of International that I could experiment with if you would like.
Steve
Steve, I’m using the pistol rotor. This Universal powder is really tough...and I believe it might have been caked up. I finally decanted a pound into a separate container, poured it via a case funnel, and it appears to flow much easier now. At the start it felt like I was chewing through asphalt...it took incredible force to rotate the rotor to pick up a charge. I actually put in the rifle rotor at one time, hoping the larger opening would make dropping charges easier. Nope...it was even worse. Since it’s not a stick powder the rotor does cut through these discs easily. Since I can’t drop powder reliably I am dropping a slightly lower charge, then trickling up. It is a time consuming process, but at least I know my rounds will be remarkably consistent. I only wish I had a chronograph...I’d love to see sd numbers on these rounds.
 
My brother gave me 500, 124 Gr. Hornady XTP.
I have no experience with these.
Anyone loading them or have a favorite load for them?
I have Unique, Red Dot, Green Dot, BE-86, Long Shot, Universal and other powders.
I would like to use BE-86, because of the flash suppressed qualities.
 
My brother gave me 500, 124 Gr. Hornady XTP.
I have no experience with these.
Anyone loading them or have a favorite load for them?
I have Unique, Red Dot, Green Dot, BE-86, Long Shot, Universal and other powders.
I would like to use BE-86, because of the flash suppressed qualities.
Funny you mention this. The 100 9mm loads I just completed were 124gr JHP, just a bit different profile from the XTPs. I loaded to 1.125”, whereas you’ll need to seat the XTPs to about 1.075”. Nonetheless, though I had to hand measure ever charge, 4.8gr Universal is a really nice charge for this projectile. Steve’s Pages lists Universal from 4.0gr to 5.3gr for 123gr to 125gr projectiles. I ran a ladder from 4.7gr to 4.9gr out of my Kimber Micro 9, and 4.7gr was nice, 4.8gr more accurate, and 4.9gr a bit aggressive for plinking. So I’m adopting the 4.8gr load as my favorite. Of your listed powders I only have Universal.
 
I would like to use BE-86, because of the flash suppressed qualities.

My initial tests with BE86 and 124grn bullets was not promising... not in shorter barrel (3.6" and 3.0", respectively) pistols, anyway. I quickly hit a threshold where the velocity gains flattened, and I was getting unburnt powder (or perhaps powder debris is a better term...) on my arm. It probably works well enough in pistols with a 4" barrel and longer, like a HiPower, etc.
 
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