270w vs 6.5 creedmor

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Almor said:
good night friends ! I currently have a .308w and I would like to buy a second weapon, but my question is whether 270w or 6.5creedmor, I like to hunt wild boar, deer and dal sheep up to 300/400 yards maximum, I want more ground. What do you advise me ? Greetings !
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On the stated quarry at only 300-400 yards there is exactly ZERO need to switch from your .308.
My question however is where do you hunt that you can chase wild boar, deer and Dall Sheep all together?

I want to move there.
 
Garandimal said:
On the contrary.

Heat - softens the steel and accelerates ablation.

The last five do considerably more damage than the first five.

(and, for a "pencil" Bbl...? 7/3)




GR
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Yep, from my best understanding you don't wear out a barrel, you burn out a barrel. The more time you give the barrel to cool down and the shorter the strings of shots the more total shots from a barrel.

Yes the more powder you burn through the barrel the faster it will wear out. It's all about heat first, then pressure and friction.
 
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Almor said:
good night friends ! I currently have a .308w and I would like to buy a second weapon, but my question is whether 270w or 6.5creedmor, I like to hunt wild boar, deer and dal sheep up to 300/400 yards maximum, I want more ground. What do you advise me ? Greetings !
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270 without a doubt!! The 6.5 Creed was conceived as a long range target caliber and the best loads for it won't scratch a 270's rear end out in the hunting fields, especially for the bigger stuff. That being said, if you would kind of like to mess around in both areas, the Creed is a good cartridge. I bought a 260 Remington instead of a Creed and save money by turning 243 brass into 260 brass. The 270 is based on the 30-06 so the same versatility applies. Can't do that easily with a Creed.
 
H&Hhunter said:
On the stated quarry at only 300-400 yards there is exactly ZERO need to switch from your .308.
My question however is where do you hunt that you can chase wild boar, deer and Dall Sheep all together?

I want to move there.
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I am from Spain . I like to write here to practice English too. And of course learn more about hunting and shooting, I see that there are very specialized people in this forum and with great knowledge.
 
HowieG said:
270 without a doubt!! The 6.5 Creed was conceived as a long range target caliber and the best loads for it won't scratch a 270's rear end out in the hunting fields, especially for the bigger stuff. That being said, if you would kind of like to mess around in both areas, the Creed is a good cartridge. I bought a 260 Remington instead of a Creed and save money by turning 243 brass into 260 brass. The 270 is based on the 30-06 so the same versatility applies. Can't do that easily with a Creed.
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Ive made CM shells from .243 with a single pass thru a CM die and cutting. No reason to tho as decent cases are all about the same price.
 
WisBorn said:
Yep, from my best understanding you don't wear out a barrel, you burn out a barrel. The more time you give the barrel to cool down and the shorter the strings of shots the more total shots from a barrel.

Yes the more powder you burn through the barrel the faster it will wear out. It's all about heat first, then pressure and friction.
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Hence, water-jacketed machine gun Bbls.




GR
 
LoonWulf said:
Ive made CM shells from .243 with a single pass thru a CM die and cutting. No reason to tho as decent cases are all about the same price.
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Sizing, and cutting, and fire forming? As opposed to running a 6.5 mandrel through a 243 neck and done in about 2 seconds? Also, my source of brass, back when they had brass of course, had them priced 243 lowest, Creed in the middle, and 260 at the expensive end. Even a few cents a piece adds up over a hundred of more cases. Saving a little money and saving time on the drudge stuff works for me! On the plus side of Creed, it is very popular and the brass is available everywhere, when brass is available of course.
 
Almor said:
I am from Spain . I like to write here to practice English too. And of course learn more about hunting and shooting, I see that there are very specialized people in this forum and with great knowledge.
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I see,

It’s just a very strange combination that you’ve mentioned as Dall Sheep aren’t anywhere near wild hogs or deer for the most part. I’m guessing that’s a bit of the language issue.
 
HowieG said:
The 270 is based on the 30-06 so the same versatility applies. Can't do that easily with a Creed.
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You better watch out. I got beat down for making a similar statement. I was berated in no uncertain terms that it’s based on a 30-03 (Krag).

Dunno if it’s true. Don’t care.
 
WisBorn said:
Yes the more powder you burn through the barrel the faster it will wear out. It's all about heat first, then pressure and friction.
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Energy expended and absorbed......

Cram more energy into a smaller area, and absorb more with the barrel, and you create more ware. Again looking at some of the very large cassed small bore magnums and you can see the change in barrel life alot faster. 7mm mag, i got 1700rnds before it opened way up....but it was probably done w few hundred before. Im hoping to get 800 our of the 28nosler i just bought.
Same psi, same bore, more bullet weight (bearing surface), more powder.....by 15-20gr.


HowieG said:
Sizing, and cutting, and fire forming? As opposed to running a 6.5 mandrel through a 243 neck and done in about 2 seconds? Also, my source of brass, back when they had brass of course, had them priced 243 lowest, Creed in the middle, and 260 at the expensive end. Even a few cents a piece adds up over a hundred of more cases. Saving a little money and saving time on the drudge stuff works for me! On the plus side of Creed, it is very popular and the brass is available everywhere, when brass is available of course.
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A bit more work yeah. I only did it just to make sure it was a viable option. Made about a dozen each of Hornady and Federal, and checked water capacity and tested some loads.
I havent bought any CM brass for a few years, but they were running about 7-10cents a case more than the same .243, or .308s. So it generally isnt worth the time. But it is fairly easy and viable .
 
redneck2 said:
You better watch out. I got beat down for making a similar statement. I was berated in no uncertain terms that it’s based on a 30-03 (Krag).

Dunno if it’s true. Don’t care.
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Lol. What's based on who again? Anyway, I consider them discussions not beratements. Unless it get's personal of course.
 
@LoonWulf 1700 rounds through your 7rm. I have been wondering when mine will start to open up. Going to reduce my on hand ammo for it. Probably replace the tube with something else at that time. What cartridge next time ?????
 
I've shot several deer between 300 and 400 yards with my .270 Win and it's a great cartridge, dropping them in our favorite woods road at about any distance up to 400 yards.
 
LoonWulf said:
Energy expended and absorbed......

Cram more energy into a smaller area, and absorb more with the barrel, and you create more ware. Again looking at some of the very large cassed small bore magnums and you can see the change in barrel life alot faster. 7mm mag, i got 1700rnds before it opened way up....but it was probably done w few hundred before. Im hoping to get 800 our of the 28nosler i just bought.
Same psi, same bore, more bullet weight (bearing surface), more powder.....by 15-20gr.



A bit more work yeah. I only did it just to make sure it was a viable option. Made about a dozen each of Hornady and Federal, and checked water capacity and tested some loads.
I havent bought any CM brass for a few years, but they were running about 7-10cents a case more than the same .243, or .308s. So it generally isnt worth the time. But it is fairly easy and viable .
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I hear you. I had a fun time once working at turning 270 into 25-06 because I got a bunch of free 270 cases. Did you know that 270 is longer than 25-06? And, the neck gets thicker when you squeeze it down. It turned into a lot of work. Anyway, I have a 243 and a 260. I save 10 bucks a hundred cases or more just buying 243 and doing the mandrel thing. More if I get the 243 brass on sale. So, it works. Frankly, you can make most things from something else if you have the time, money, tools, and patience. Just buy a copy of "Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions" and equip yourself with a machine shop and away you go, lol. I am not as ambitious as I used to be when I was young. My chores now are turning 243 into 260 and fire forming factory 22 Hornet in my K Hornet chamber. No more turning 105mm tank shells into 105mm howitzer for me,:)
 
H&Hhunter said:
300-400 yards isn’t even starting to become an issue for a .308 or a 7MM/08. It might be for the shooter but not the round.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/first-elk-of-the-season-is-in-the-freezer.875523/
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That is an awesome rifle. I want one in 708 now, lol. Never checked out the steyr's. Nice looking setup, glass, etc... it sort of looks like an M1A style heat shield on it. The integral bipod is awesome. In surprised I dont hear people raving mad about these scouts.

Awesome thread too. Nice shot. 514 yards with a .308 on elk? That's encouraging. Good deal.
 
Picher said:
I've shot several deer between 300 and 400 yards with my .270 Win and it's a great cartridge, dropping them in our favorite woods road at about any distance up to 400 yards.
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Whatever worked for Jack O'Conner probably still works for us.
 
redneck2 said:
You better watch out. I got beat down for making a similar statement. I was berated in no uncertain terms that it’s based on a 30-03 (Krag).

Dunno if it’s true. Don’t care.
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Don’t want to pile on but since you don’t care you are wrong again. 30-03 has nothing to do with Krag except that it replaced the 30-40 Krag. Springfield 30-03 replaced the 30-40. It used a 220 grain round nose bullet. Around three years later the 30-03 case was shortened a little bit and a 150 grain Spitzer was loaded, ergo 30-06. The .270 is based off the 30-03 case not the 30-06, which is why it’s slightly longer.
 
My oldest hunting rifle is a .270 Win. Nothing wrong with it. 6.5 CM should be as good, practically speaking. If I was in OP's shoes, I would get another .308 Win. for ammunition compatibility, since only two rifles seem to be envisioned. I did just that with another 30-06 this fall. Can't wait to shoot my new CZ 457 with a 20" barrel this winter and compare it to the 26" barrel of my Encore, that one already known as a great shooter.
 
WisBorn said:
I agree!
I have never shot out / burned out a barrel.
Part of me says that I want to use them up. They are tools.
Part of me says make them last two lifetimes!
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Aw, a real nut just re-cuts the chamber and eliminates the worn throat and you’re back in business! I’ve recycled a few 22 PPC barrels to a 22-250 and 220 Swift for a new lease on barrel life!
 
HowieG said:
I hear you. I had a fun time once working at turning 270 into 25-06 because I got a bunch of free 270 cases. Did you know that 270 is longer than 25-06? And, the neck gets thicker when you squeeze it down. It turned into a lot of work. Anyway, I have a 243 and a 260. I save 10 bucks a hundred cases or more just buying 243 and doing the mandrel thing. More if I get the 243 brass on sale. So, it works. Frankly, you can make most things from something else if you have the time, money, tools, and patience. Just buy a copy of "Handloader's Manual of Cartridge Conversions" and equip yourself with a machine shop and away you go, lol. I am not as ambitious as I used to be when I was young. My chores now are turning 243 into 260 and fire forming factory 22 Hornet in my K Hornet chamber. No more turning 105mm tank shells into 105mm howitzer for me,:)
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I know a few guys who make their 25-06 brass from 270 cases, and you’re right, they are long. But these guys say they like the longer necks and the 270 brass is stronger (probably true). The longer necks allow them to trim precisely and they prefer to neck size. YMMV.
 
WisBorn said:
@LoonWulf 1700 rounds through your 7rm. I have been wondering when mine will start to open up. Going to reduce my on hand ammo for it. Probably replace the tube with something else at that time. What cartridge next time ?????
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That 7mm was never stupendously accurate, but it jumped from 1.25ish to something over 2 pretty bloody fast which was when i decided it was pretty well dead. For the amount of performance you get the life span of a 7mm barrels really not too bad.
When the 28 nosler barrel burns out might try the 7LRM, which should get a bit more barrel life.
 
LoonWulf said:
That 7mm was never stupendously accurate, but it jumped from 1.25ish to something over 2 pretty bloody fast which was when i decided it was pretty well dead. For the amount of performance you get the life span of a 7mm barrels really not too bad.
When the 28 nosler barrel burns out might try the 7LRM, which should get a bit more barrel life.
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Did you rebarrel the 7rm?
 
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