270w vs 6.5 creedmor

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good night friends ! I currently have a .308w and I would like to buy a second weapon, but my question is whether 270w or 6.5creedmor, I like to hunt wild boar, deer and dal sheep up to 300/400 yards maximum, I want more ground. What do you advise me ? Greetings !
 
6.5 Creedmore is the new cool but the 270win will have a longer barrel life. You can hunt anything in North America with a 270 Win. The Creedmore will be a little flatter shooter I think.
 
I think the 6.5 may be a fad, but just for a few years, I always wanted a 270 in my gun rack. Before I had a 7mmRM but it was very unpleasant for me, that's why I bought the 308 and I like it a lot, but since I have one more rifle scope, I want to find another rifle to put it in.
I think 7-08 can also be a great caliber, but I'm afraid of not finding ammunition
 
Almor said:
I think the 6.5 may be a fad, but just for a few years, I always wanted a 270 in my gun rack. Before I had a 7mmRM but it was very unpleasant for me, that's why I bought the 308 and I like it a lot, but since I have one more rifle scope, I want to find another rifle to put it in.
I think 7-08 can also be a great caliber, but I'm afraid of not finding ammunition
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Very good reason for buying another rifle:thumbup:. 270 would be my vote.
 
The difference in bullet size is what, .013”?

Any game will never know the difference. History favors the 270 by about 70 years, and nothing in North America, Australia and most of Africa will survive a well-placed shot with a quality bullet, as history has proven to us all.

The Creed has marketing blitz support to help sell rifles, barrels, dies, bullets, etc. There may be a wider selection of 6.5/.264 bullets, but you can get bullets in the .277 size from 90 to 160 grains (maybe heavier special makes). What hurts the 270 is the factory twist. You can get a 270 pipe with different twists to suit your fancy.

Flip a coin, pick your favorite poison, select bullets and platform and go forth and slay stuff. Enjoy! You can’t really go wrong with either. I personally have too much invested in years, game and components (not to mention nostalgia) to give up my battered 270.
 
Almor said:
I think the 6.5 may be a fad, but just for a few years, I always wanted a 270 in my gun rack. Before I had a 7mmRM but it was very unpleasant for me, that's why I bought the 308 and I like it a lot, but since I have one more rifle scope, I want to find another rifle to put it in.
I think 7-08 can also be a great caliber, but I'm afraid of not finding ammunition
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Creedmoor is certainly not a fad more so a very good short action mid caliber much like a 308 with a huge variety of outstanding ammunition available
 
Almor said:
good night friends ! I currently have a .308w and I would like to buy a second weapon, but my question is whether 270w or 6.5creedmor, I like to hunt wild boar, deer and dal sheep up to 300/400 yards maximum, I want more ground. What do you advise me ? Greetings !
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Already have a .308 and you want to see an ACTUAL difference? Neither, (between the two 6.5 cm all day everyday) you're looking for a .280, .280 ai, or 7rm. Troy's 7-08 is pretty close to what I'm talking about, just give 'er a touch more juice!
 
Almor said:
good night friends ! I currently have a .308w and I would like to buy a second weapon, but my question is whether 270w or 6.5creedmor, I like to hunt wild boar, deer and dal sheep up to 300/400 yards maximum, I want more ground. What do you advise me ? Greetings !
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.270 WIN - will do that w/ factory 150 gr. lead-core or 130 gr. mono-copper.

Good as in the freezer if you do your part.




GR
 
Anything one will do, the other will do, but the 6.5 does it with about 30% less recoil. The 270 shoots the same bullet weights about 200 fps faster at the muzzle. At the muzzle both have more than enough power to kill anything in the lower 48. But the better aerodynamics of the 6.5's mean they are in a virtual tie in velocity at around 200 yards. At some point beyond 250-300 yards the 6.5 is faster. And the better sectional density of the 6.5's mean better penetration at any range. And the odds are pretty good that a 6.5 will be more accurate than either. Of course individual rifles vary.

To be perfectly honest for hunting out to 300-400 yards there isn't a dimes worth of difference between 308, 270 or 6.5 CM. Or any of at least a dozen other cartridges. But if looking for a dual purpose hunting and long range target cartridge the 6.5 has an awful lot going for it.

History favors the 270 by about 70 years,
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The 6.5 CM is just a slightly modified more efficient 6.5X55 which was introduced in 1891. About 35 years prior to the 270. The 6.5X55 and 6.5 CM are ballistic twins. The advantage 6.5 CM has over 6.5X55 is the availability of modern off the shelf rifles and ammo.
 
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...The 6.5 CM is just a slightly modified more efficient 6.5X55 which was introduced in 1891. About 35 years prior to the 270. The 6.5X55 and 6.5 CM are ballistic twins. The advantage 6.5 CM has over 6.5X55 is the availability of modern off the shelf rifles and ammo.
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Have a 6.5x55.

Not the same as the .270 WIN... until you pass ~ 500 yards.

Inside of 300 yards?

Not even in the same class.

Still gets the job done - if you do your part.




GR
 
What jmr40 said. Your 270 will spit a 130 gr pill at around 3000 fps. Most books and ammo boxes list it at 3110, but I have yet to chrono any factory ammo that got within 150 of that in a standard rifle. The CM will run the 130 gr at about 2800 fps. There is not a animal alive that could tell difference in 200 fps. Your 270 will shoot flatter than the CM out to 400 yards. Then the better BC is going to kick the CM into passing gear. It will do the same thing to the 308, but inside 400 yards you can just toss a coin as to which one is better.

I shot a 270 for 21 years. Now I am on my 4th CM with 2 in the safe. The only difference that I can notice is lighter recoil.
 
jmr40 said:
The 6.5 CM is just a slightly modified more efficient 6.5X55 which was introduced in 1891. About 35 years prior to the 270. The 6.5X55 and 6.5 CM are ballistic twins. The advantage 6.5 CM has over 6.5X55 is the availability of modern off the shelf rifles and ammo.
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Thanks for that clarification. I have not studied the case/chamber drawings. What’s that saying? “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?”
Why not just shoot the 6.5x55? Only so many ways you can improve a mousetrap.
 
I had a thread on here a few months ago, with a title along the lines of "am I over thinking my hunting rifle". Having moved out west and dreaming of chasing smaller faster prey at longer distance than in the thick brush back east, I was beginning to think my old plodding 308win would be a handicap.

Having poured over ballistic tables for just about every run of the mill (and some obscure) cartridges, unless you're slinging super slippery BC bullets from Ultra Weatherby Super Mag cases, you're looking at a 250-275yrd MPBR.

Mostly I'm just looking to put my rifle on a bit of a diet now and getting some practice in than worrying about a whole new rifle. Not that I'm not looking, I'd like to have a range toy and a dedicated hunter, but that's a different story.
 
Neither will do “more” than the .308 Win. Both will do almost exactly the same. So, if purchasing a new rifle, I would suggest most of the focus being on rifle attributes rather than on which caliber. I would add 6.5 PRC to the mix because it seems to me that it is the maximum practical 6.5 and well suited for your sheep hunting. For pigs, .308 is pretty much ideal.
 
DocRock said:
Neither will do “more” than the .308 Win. Both will do almost exactly the same.
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Yes, at the shorter ranges you posted they are all three similar but the 6.5 has the least recoil. I don't understand the statement, "I want more ground". You want more range? But only to 300/400 yards maximum? What kind of bullets will you be putting in them?
 
Anchorite said:
Thanks for that clarification. I have not studied the case/chamber drawings. What’s that saying? “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery?”
Why not just shoot the 6.5x55? Only so many ways you can improve a mousetrap.
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You can gain the velocities with same bullets in a true short action, without needing a custom build, and the barrel is twisted right for the long wind buckers. If the .270 came with a fast twist and could handle the longs, this wouldn't be much of a topic. Past 300 yds the wind on the 6.5 143 and 156 eld/vld will be less of an issue than ANY standard .270 loading. To really gain more ground, you need more powder under the 6.5 (prc, Norma, win mag, leopard, etc) or bump up to a fast 7 (aforementioned) the .270 with a fast enough twist and appropriate bullets is dandy enough, but realistically that's more custom at this time than either a .264 or .284 endeavor.
 
Almor said:
good night friends ! I currently have a .308w and I would like to buy a second weapon, but my question is whether 270w or 6.5creedmor, I like to hunt wild boar, deer and dal sheep up to 300/400 yards maximum, I want more ground. What do you advise me ? Greetings !
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No reason to go 270 or 6.5 over the 308 if you want to hunt at around 300-400 yards, unless you are shooting over 800 yards all cartridges are about the same within that 300-400 yards. If you want a new rifle i will go 6.5 for the fun/low recoil factor, if you want more umff at 400 yards, skip the 270 and go 7mm Rem Mag. Between a 308 and 7mm RM you have everything covered.
 
While this does get rehashed over and over, I enjoy the changing dynamic as newer bullets and powders are applied to the older cartridges.

Imo if you want a "do more" cartridge than you .308? step up to a Magnum 7 or 30. Faster, flatter, and harder hitting....on both ends.

If your looking for specific things like reduced recoil, reduced wind drift, or slightly greater MPBR, then the 6.5 or .270 are good options.
 
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