Powder prices? Seriously?????

Slappy White said:

I guess the thing I would wonder is why don’t they start manufacturing more or why don’t others start manufacturing these products. Does the law of supply and demand not apply to these products?

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We're it your business, would you go to the expense of adding machinery and employees for this temporary surge in demand? Me neither. At the end of the day, they have to do what's best for their business. As would I, and you probably as well.

LNK said:

We're it your business, would you go to the expense of adding machinery and employees for this temporary surge in demand? Me neither. At the end of the day, they have to do what's best for their business. As would I, and you probably as well.

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Yeah I understand. But I guess I think the increased demand may be here to stay. I mean it seems like we’re always in a shortage. One little thing happens here or there and Bam shelves are empty. I don’t know I guess it’s just frustration.

Slappy White said:

Yeah I understand. But I guess I think the increased demand may be here to stay. I mean it seems like we’re always in a shortage. One little thing happens here or there and Bam shelves are empty. I don’t know I guess it’s just frustration.

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The other thing you should be aware of is that the supply chains are condensing. What happens when one is sued or makes a bad decision and is lost. Our hobby is now critically linked to vista outdoors.

AJC1 said:

The other thing you should be aware of is that the supply chains are condensing. What happens when one is sued or makes a bad decision and is lost. Our hobby is now critically linked to vista outdoors.

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This is a BIG issue brewing. The health of the key components market primers, bullets, cartridges, etc just got more condensed with Remington going out.

LNK said:

We're it your business, would you go to the expense of adding machinery and employees for this temporary surge in demand? Me neither. At the end of the day, they have to do what's best for their business. As would I, and you probably as well.

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Vista sports is back ordered over 1 year. RMR's backorder keeps going up about a week every couple of weeks. They have been expanding their machinery and still can't keep up. Yes the major manufacturers need to increase their capacity. I'm not sure I'd call this situation "temporary". 6 months is temporary. It's been 10 months already and keeps getting steadily worse. It isn't going to let up for at least another year.

packetloss said:

Vista sports is back ordered over 1 year. RMR's backorder keeps going up about a week every couple of weeks. They have been expanding their machinery and still can't keep up. Yes the major manufacturers need to increase their capacity. I'm not sure I'd call this situation "temporary". 6 months is temporary. It's been 10 months already and keeps getting steadily worse. It isn't going to let up for at least another year.

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Why? It would a minimum of a year to acquire the machinery, build new plant, etc.and for what? Biden has already stated how he plans to get rid of guns, ammo sales etc. on the internet and introduce more taxes basically making shooting too costly for most

Between 2 local gun shops there's plenty of powder including varget.
Primers are in stock as well.
Hodgdon/iMR/Winchester powder is $25-$30 a pound.
Primers LR $40 SRP $50 per 1000.

Sniper66 said:

Mr. Zorg.....This is the kind of help I was seeking. Thanks a bunch. Tom

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Tom,

Varget in 1lb containers comes & goes at Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's online, you can keep a lookout at those websites if you like.

Shooters World powders have been sold at retailers other than MidwayUSA and Powder Valley. I can't help but think that maybe supplies at some of those other sites such as Graf & Sons and / or Midsouth Shooters Supply might have more available sometime soon but who really knows these days.

ETA: Here's a prior link you can check on as often as you like to see if you can catch it back in stock at Bass Pro Shops and Cabela's. Not even the product page is accessible from the BPS & Cabela's websites ATM. Such items have phased in & ot of being present at all on those sites at least since Summer 2020 IME.

https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/hodgdon-varget-rifle-powders

LNK said:

...they didn't have any varget the day I ordered, they did the day before, while I was thinking about it.

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There is a time to think, and there is a time to act, and this is no time to think.

D.B. Cooper said:

There is a time to think, and there is a time to act, and this is no time to think.

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Believe it or not, I pretty much could get by on what I have for about 10 years without too much trouble. My order was just to backfill my supplies. Been through this before, and will again next time. If they were to stop making it altogether, I could still come up with a way to shoot. Might make more smoke, but shoot I would.

A week ago Midway had 8 pounders of Titegroup for $152.95

At my load in 9mm that 8lber would make about 13k rounds.

George P said:

Why? It would a minimum of a year to acquire the machinery, build new plant, etc.and for what? Biden has already stated how he plans to get rid of guns, ammo sales etc. on the internet and introduce more taxes basically making shooting too costly for most

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If that is the stated goal, then it would be easy enough to advocate building a stash of ammo/components to last a lifetime and perhaps beyond. It could nearly justify the panic buying, or at the very least lend some reasoning to it.

The companies are kind of in a spot. Strike while the iron is hot and make as much money as possible while they still can, or wait and see if the bubble levels out.

Slappy White said:

Yeah I understand. But I guess I think the increased demand may be here to stay. I mean it seems like we’re always in a shortage.

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Last year retailers and manufacturers were running sales and rebates to move products. Sales of ammo had components had tanked and prices were at a 10+ year low.

i feel for the people that did not plan for hard times. no i don't. with all the crap over the past 20 years you should have seen this coming. you should have "buy it cheap, stack it deep" when you had the chance. you will never see low prices on ammo and/or reloading components again.

While I feel somewhat on par with you statement, its the first time gun buyers and shooters that I feel for. And to be frank, they are the ones we need right now. And I disagree with your price statement. We heard the same stuff 10 years ago.

Hrbie22 said:

While I feel somewhat on par with you statement, its the first time gun buyers and shooters that I feel for. And to be frank, they are the ones we need right now. And I disagree with your price statement. We heard the same stuff 10 years ago.

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Hard to disagree. A lot of people new to firearms ownership or were previously passive owners who recently decided to put more focus into it. No way they'd know this was coming.
Even in the craziest of crazy times, shotgun ammo was mostly available. Not now though.

reddog81 said:

Last year retailers and manufacturers were running sales and rebates to move products. Sales of ammo had components had tanked and prices were at a 10+ year low.

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So many people have forgotten recent history, or are fixated on current events. If you'll recall, during the last Dark Ages, when the question of the future of AR's (etc,) and high cap magazines was always in question, let alone loaded ammos, demand stripped supply. But, as the market corrected itself... more ammo production, more AR production, more magazine production... and supply became available, what changed? Even as demand ramped up, yet again, in front of the 2016 Election... almost the day after the election, demand dropped. Within a year anything and everything was available, and you could even see product dumping by some manufacturers and retailers... stuck with huge stocks in the face of demand that faded almost overnight. The gunshows (here in Dallas) that were once filled with AR (etc) builders and suppliers... were gone. That's no lie.

Coming full circle in 4 years... here we are again, but with the added element of 'civil unrest.' Again, demand quickly stripped supply... deja vu all over again? The difference is, how many people or manufacturers are going to be willing to make the capital investment to start or increase production for what might very well be a short-term market? Once bitten, twice shy...

Those of us who've been here since before obamanation knew this was coming.
It'll be 1-2 years before powder & primers are back in stock & at reasonable prices.

So what's the new word gonna be?
bidenamation - that period after the general election when powder & primers are suddenly made of unobtaium

Sniper66 said:

I know we have a serious panic going on, but I'm stunned and frightened...yes, frightened. I started looking for some powder today since I'm running low on Varget. None of the suppliers have any. NO ONE!! GunBroker has it for over $100 per pound! Last pound I bought was $32 and I was annoyed by that price. Found an #8 pounder on GunBroker for $825. Where in the name of h*** is the powder going? The manufacturers (I think) are making it as fast as they can do so safely. These prices will put most people out of the reloading business, including me. I'll have enough to make my hunting rounds for a few years, but forget target practice. Has anyone found any powder in a retail store in the last month? Is there any help out there??

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Could you and then rest of the world quit complaining about the price of ammo, powder, primmers, bullets, reloading dies erc....

You had the entire gun community and its appointed ring leaders tell you the trump slump was a phase and to take advantage of it. If anyone failed to listen to wisdom or read the room it is their fault.

Yes prices are crazy, they should be that way because of supply and demand. I will not for a minute lose sleep of selling 1000 rounds of federal 9mm ammo for 1000 dollars at a gun show in Kentucky.

The egg is not on the faces of the men and women who prepared.

Also, while there are some "buy it now" cans of powder on GB, there are also a lot of these.

https://www.gunbroker.com/item/885791273

There's no "buy it now" option. Just a guy with 2 pounds of powder who put it up for auction, with no reserve, and let the market take its course.
Can't call it price gouging when people are standing in line to pay the price voluntarily.

Sniper66 said:

I know we have a serious panic going on, but I'm stunned and frightened...yes, frightened. I started looking for some powder today since I'm running low on Varget. None of the suppliers have any. NO ONE!! GunBroker has it for over $100 per pound! Last pound I bought was $32 and I was annoyed by that price. Found an #8 pounder on GunBroker for $825. Where in the name of h*** is the powder going? The manufacturers (I think) are making it as fast as they can do so safely. These prices will put most people out of the reloading business, including me. I'll have enough to make my hunting rounds for a few years, but forget target practice. Has anyone found any powder in a retail store in the last month? Is there any help out there??

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I live in Boise ID and we can get powders for the most part. Ya gotta get it when its there or its gone in a few days but its showing up at stores. Cliffs reloading has powders of some kind almost always, and they have primers for under $100 per 1000. The powder is in the $30 range. I really hope to hell I don't see prices like you described. Good luck!

None of the suppliers have any. NO ONE!!
https://shop.hodgdon.com/hodgdon/hodgdon-varget
1 lb 34.95