Powder prices? Seriously?????

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  1. jimmyvegas29

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    Yep, just picked up a 1lb of H335 at my Local Reloading shop, $31.xx before tax.

    I went by Basspro in Daytona and they have eliminated there space on the shelf where powder used to be and filled it up with ammo boxes. Looked around to see if they just relocated it but could not find any spot for it. They still had the spot for primers thought, which of course was empty.
     
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  2. Howland937

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    Was at the Bass Pro in Cincinnati last weekend. Their dedicated powder shelf space was still there, and contents were a single 1lb can of Hodgdon International. About 20 miles north, an independent shop had full shelves of powder and 2 people restocking as holes appeared. Had quite a few bullets and a few bricks of LPP and LRP.
     
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    I just browsed through Gunbroker looking at powder and primer prices. The items that have starting bid of 99 cents seem to be getting lots of action and I 'm amazed at some of the bidding. The items that start with crazy numbers are not getting a lot of action. I guess it depends on how bad you want or need this stuff.

    I feel sorry for those shooters that either could not afford to stock up when prices were reasonable and stuff was plentiful or for those new to the sport that have never seen shortages.

    I sold a dozen guns on Gunbroker back in the Spring. I was amazed at how high some of the bids went. I don't feel like I gouged anyone since I listed the starting bid at 99 cents with no reserve.
     
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  4. George P

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    No, it isn't gouging as no one is FORCING you to buy anything at their asking price. If you do not buy it, you didn't get gouged. If you do buy it, you felt the exchange of money for goods was worth the price you paid; so you did not get gouged
     
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  5. 9mmepiphany

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    This bears repeating as it is a basic truth and the definition of free trade
     
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    Most powders are still available in my area (Valley Forge, Pa), but try to find any type of small pistol or rifle primers. Bullets, loaded ammo in 9mm and 223 Rem, and 22 LR ammo has disappeared also.
     
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    What surprised me the most was that shotgun primets evaporated this time as well. Last time there wete at least some available at semi normal prices throught the banic.
     
  8. 2ndtimer

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    Powders are out of stock locally at the moment, but I was able to pick up 6 pounds of IMR-4064 over the past 4 months for just 26.97 per pound, it took 4 trips (50 mile round trip) to do it since they limited purchase to 2 lbs , and then 1 lb per day. I picked up two hundred rounds of CCI Mini-Mags at the local Walmart yesterday for 7.82 per box of 100. Haven’t seen much .22 ammo recently.
     
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    https://legaldictionary.net/price-gouging/

    "Price gouging is a term that refers to the practice of raising the price of goods, services, or commodities, to an unreasonable or unfair level. Such an increase in price is often a result of a sudden increase of demand and shortage of goods, such as in the event of a natural disaster or other crisis, and it is illegal in most jurisdictions..."

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  10. 2ndtimer

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    I believe you will find that such statutes deal with products of necessity, I.e. food, drinking water, fuel (gasoline and heating oil) and perhaps shelter (plywood prior to a hurricane or tornado). Government doesn’t deem ammunition, firearms or reloading components to be necessary. Nor has there been a “natural disaster” to cause such a situation. (Political disasters don’t count, even though they are real.)
    Also, some of these ridiculous prices are caused by buyers outbidding other buyers because they choose to pay the ridiculous price and apparently have the means to do so. IMO, there is no gouging going on. Just people willing to overpay.
     
  11. BigBlue 94

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    Most certainly.

    I tend to think of gouging as only applicable to things that are needed for every day life; like bread, milk, gas, TP, medicine, etc.

    There is a fine line between gouging and free trade. As pointed out, primers are not an essential item to every day survival and quality of life. That essential status is the key between gouging and taking advantage of the opportunity to sell for higher to people who will pay more to enjoy their hobby.

    Adding 10-20 bucks per box of primers doesnt sound outrageous to me. Charging 5 times last November's MSRP is downright criminal.

    Take it all with a grain or two of salt, because its my opinion, not necessarily fact.
     
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  12. BigBlue 94

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    Beat me to it!
     
  13. reddog81

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    Call the police or attorney general and see what kind of response you get.

    There was no sudden increase in demand. The demand has been increasing since March.
     
  14. 9mmepiphany

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    Interesting that the paragraph following the one you posted makes it pretty clear that the definition doesn't apply to the subject at hand

    One would almost think that you were engaging in trolling.

    I'll extend the allowance of Halon's Razor: "never attribute to malice that which is..."
     
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    I just received my order from powder valley. While they didn't have any varget the day I ordered, they did the day before, while I was thinking about it. I ended up with 8 pounds of various powders shipped with tax and hazmat for $209. You just have to keep looking, I think of it as an o0ortunity to try new powders. Gets me out of my comfort zone. Who knows, I may stumble upon a better powder for my needs.

    Good luck.
     
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  16. George P

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    Just because some idiotic lawmakers pass a law, doesn't make it true; knee jerk reactions get stupid laws passed all the time. Free trade is just that, free trade. You offer something for sale, if I believe the price is fair and agree top pay for it today - regardless of what it was yesterday or last year - then I did not get gouged. No one is forcing anyone to buy anything - period.
     
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  17. Average Joe

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    Don't buy, wait it out, prices will come back down....
     
  18. brewer12345

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    Basic shotshells are simply gone from the market (to my great surprise) so I guess components did the same. Go look online for some plebian #6 lead shotshells in 20 gauge and 12 gauge flavors. Gone. Never at the pit of the Sandy Hook mess was this the case. So I guess people are taking up shotshell reloading as well.
     
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    One more reason to stock up when prices are good, so we won't get frustrated in times like these, and get mad at vendors.
     
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    The nature of demand is different in our hobby than most other types of products. Firearms see a lot of surge demand far beyond that which the market normally sees. This is also true of TP. Because of laws preventing import the "world" market is preventing in some cases from helping add stability. The nature of normal market is growth to support the new higher demand, but companies have information like many old hands here that the higher demand will not last to sustain the investment for expansion. Your only protection from the hard times is having supplies on hand to help avert the event from becoming a personal crisis. Congratulations your now a proper or will learn the same lesson again later.
     
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  21. Mr. Zorg

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    Well ya never really know. We refilled the TP logistics chain only to see what looks like a stampede starting up again. I don't expect it'll be any different with ammunition & components this time around, personally, but time will tell.
     
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    I would have been caught to some extent by the shortage. I had not yet met my two year quota of all materials on hand when the pandemic and shortage struck. My circumstance relative to health and family put us on a zero range time for quite some time now. That has allowed me to gain momentum on my materials due to not depleting them.

    I also joined the "cast my own bullets" club in happy to say.

    So far prices for what I want have gone up some but not significant for what I buy.

    I thank the high road often for the wisdom given and due to it I'm in a much better position than I could have been.
     
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    I've been fortunate enough to pick up a few things here and there, and instead of trying to consolidate I've decided to diversify. I've picked up some small primers when I've seen them although they're everything from Rem 6 1/2 to WSPM, Federal SRP and BR, CCI 500's and 550's. Try to have at least 2 but preferably 3 good load options for each caliber I load. It's more to keep track of, but I have options instead of "I need xxx powder".

    We know about powder and primers because we live it. We know about TP because we've either seen or heard about it. People outside the auto repair industry may not know that certain tools are becoming nearly as difficult to get as primers. If you don't own a pool, you may not know how hard it is to get filters or parts. If you decided to get a pool, you probably found out back in the summer it wasn't a possibility. The difficulty in finding guns, ammo, and reloading components gets a lot of attention, especially here. But just about anything pertaining to recreation has become harder to find and pricier to obtain.

    The combination of health crisis, economic crisis, and political uncertainty has caused more people to have nothing to do and nowhere to go with plenty of time for it. Add in some stress and fear of being left out...it shouldn't surprise anyone.
     
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  24. CajunRX8

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    Local reloading shop has a whole rack full of various kinds of powder, shotgun, pistol, rifle and blackpowder.
    Small selection of bullets and brass, primers are like hens teeth though.
     
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  25. Slappy White

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    I guess the thing I would wonder is why don’t they start manufacturing more or why don’t others start manufacturing these products. Does the law of supply and demand not apply to these products?
     
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