tommy.duncan
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Those plastic Glocks handle the stress of 40 S&W and 10mm.
I converted a G21 to 400corbon and a G29 to 9x25dillon. They can put up with the pressure.
Those plastic Glocks handle the stress of 40 S&W and 10mm.
The underside of the slide was being impacted pretty heavily by the locking block, peening the slide, and I had to dress the sharp edges up with a file a couple of times as I was cutting my fingers on it while cleaning the gun. I ended up putting a 9mm conversion barrel in it and it stopped.
Never really understood why that was happening, although Id talked to some who had 40 S&W's that said it was a common thing and would stop. Mine never did, nor did it show signs of slowing down.
Can those plastic Glocks handle the stress of the 357 Sig round?
That's the impression I got from alot of guys about the Sig. +P+ 9mm for all intents and purposes. I see +P+ 9mm for sale at my local haunts about as much as I see .357Sig which is never.. I did like the idea of it and if I found ammo for it more regularly I might have sprung for one because I was interested in .357 Sig for a while, something about the venerable street cred of a 125gr .357 Dia going 1300+, but if you're already knee deep in 9mm the juice isn't necessarily worth the squeeze.I have a P229 and 2 P226's in 357sig.
I love the cartridge, Reliable, Accurate, No complaints here
Nothing more then +P 9mm. Take one for a test drive, it's worth it!!
That's the impression I got from alot of guys about the Sig. +P+ 9mm for all intents and purposes. I see +P+ 9mm for sale at my local haunts about as much as I see .357Sig which is never.. I did like the idea of it and if I found ammo for it more regularly I might have sprung for one because I was interested in .357 Sig for a while, something about the venerable street cred of a 125gr .357 Dia going 1300+, but if you're already knee deep in 9mm the juice isn't necessarily worth the squeeze.
A big part of why I went back to 9mm was the realization that the supposed "extra" power the 357SIG was "supposed" to have, just really wasnt there. The skyrocketing cost of ammo and components at the time, and what was going on with my 31 just cinched things.I dunno. I can "squeeze" over 1400fps from a 125gr GD and BE-86 in a 4" Glock just by following Alliant's data.
I think whats missed here by many is, most all of the major handgun calibers of this type all perform to the same standard. There may be a slight difference here or there, but a good hit in the same spot with any of them will likely bring the exact same result, and a poor hit or miss with any of them, the same. There are no magic handgun calibers (or rifle for that matter).
I think its more important to find the gun/caliber combo that lets you shoot quickly, repetitively, and accurately. That gun is the one you want. The caliber really isnt an issue here either (other than cost limiting your practice), as long as it doesnt slow your shooting down, or limit your capacity.
The subject can be a complicated as you want to make it I guess, but it doesnt have to be.
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I think the idea that all service cartridges are inherently equal is dubious at best. There are a lot of people preaching the concept, but so far I have yet to see any conclusive evidence that it's true.
Obviously there are more important factors to a successful stop than the cartridge chosen. But we also have to acknowledge that if fast accurate hits were all that counted, we'd all be carrying .22s.
And yes, there is no such thing as a magic handgun caliber. But listening to some people talk about 9mm, you'd think it actually was the magical caliber. Low recoil, high capacity, easy to make fast accurate hits with, and just as good at wounding as any other service caliber.
And yes, your also correct that it doesn't have to be complicated. Pick what works for you. I did, and so did you. So maybe we should both get back to the subject of the thread.
It's a matter of compromises. Otherwise why not just carry a 50AE Desert Eagle and be done with it. Cost of ammo and ability to get enough training in also factors into the equation. Then when it comes to agencies deciding, they don't want to pick a round that will be hard for most of their agents to qualify on. If they can't qualify, then it's probably asking too much for them to be effective with that caliber out in the field. Then again, why do agencies need to standardize on just one caliber?
Logistics, consistency and liability.It's a matter of compromises. Otherwise why not just carry a 50AE Desert Eagle and be done with it. Cost of ammo and ability to get enough training in also factors into the equation. Then when it comes to agencies deciding, they don't want to pick a round that will be hard for most of their agents to qualify on. If they can't qualify, then it's probably asking too much for them to be effective with that caliber out in the field. Then again, why do agencies need to standardize on just one caliber?
Going with this line of thinking, other than maybe cost, why havent they just gone with 357SIG then? Its just as easy to shoot with as 9mm for most people, and if it offers so much more, youre golden.Exactly. Compromise. Now I can understand why some agencies choose the 9mm as their compromise, lowest common denominator and all that. Individuals don't have to compromise down to what someone else can handle; each person can choose for themselves. Which is why I take issue with this line that 9mm is the perfect solution. It's not perfect for everyone.
Going with this line of thinking, other than maybe cost, why havent they just gone with 357SIG then? Its just as easy to shoot with as 9mm for most people, and if it offers so much more, youre golden.
Exactly. Compromise. Now I can understand why some agencies choose the 9mm as their compromise, lowest common denominator and all that. Individuals don't have to compromise down to what someone else can handle; each person can choose for themselves. Which is why I take issue with this line that 9mm is the perfect solution. It's not perfect for everyone.
I dunno. I can "squeeze" over 1400fps from a 125gr GD and BE-86 in a 4" Glock just by following Alliant's data.
A little over a year ago, my LGS had Sig Sauer 125 gr. FMJ $25/50 and Winchester 125 gr. FMJ $35/50. That was the only time I bought any 357SIG ammo. The rest I reload for.Going with this line of thinking, other than maybe cost, why havent they just gone with 357SIG then? Its just as easy to shoot with as 9mm for most people, and if it offers so much more, youre golden.
Back in the early 2000's, prior to Obama getting in, it cost the exact same as 40 S&W ($250/1000) when bought by the case. The change there, is probably the biggest issue with it now. 40 S&W went up a little after the Obama scare, but 357SIG for some reason nearly tripled, and never came back down to 40 prices. Even when cheap, both were still a pretty good jump up from 9mm.
9mm has always been the cheapest, both in ammo and components, and likely will remain that way compared to most of the others and in this case, is really its big advantage. That, and in some cases, maybe lack of or less wear on the guns.
I really havent been following it much since I stopped using it. Have they come up with more realistic animal loads with heavier bullets for it, or is the 125 grain loading still about the heaviest? My understanding has always been, its basically a one-trick pony, meant to mimic the old 125 grain 357Mag load everyone used to gush about, and if youre a paper numbers guy, it doesnt even actually do that. Came close though.