The simple elegance of Lee stuff

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Continues to amuse and impress. Latest? That goofy looking little powder measure.

To summarize the saga.......about 6 months back, I made the call to resume reloading for rifle after several decades of dependence on factory ammo.

Put out some feelers for equipment and found a guy who was no longer loading much, had been given a loading setup by an uncle, so had two of everything. He offered me a bunch of it for not much moolah......so I took it. Included a Lee breech lock press and about 2/3rds of what had been a Lee reloading kit. One of those was the little powder measure.

Took one look at that......vs. the RCBS Uniflow I wound up with.....and dismissed it as total junk. Just a bunch of injection molded plastic and junk metal.

But then yesterday, spent way more time than I thought I ought to trying to get a repeatable powder dump from the Uniflow. This from a coarse stick powder. The problem being that big wide cylinder that requires one to cut those coarse powder grains off to meter it. Then took notice of the Lee......with it's small diameter, but deep measure, and set it up too. To my surprise, it worked really well. In fact, as good or better than the Uniflow. Just a simple little piece of junk......that was working.

But that seems to be the case with a lot of their stuff. Simple, and inexpensive case trimmers. Dies that include that goofy little power scoop.......that likely as not is not far off from giving you a decent load.

One of the thing's I've kept over the years, something my Dad bought but never used, was one of those Lee Powder scoop kits. A collection of cc scoops. That would be one thing, but it also included a paper slide rule chart of sorts that you use to determine powder charges. When you consider the time.......nearly 50 years ago, utter brilliance.

Not for everyone, but that Lee stuff does get the job done if the job is to make something decent to go bang.
 
I have a couple of Lee tools that work fine. My Lee universal depriming die has worked well for 10's of thousands of cases with only one broken pin. I also have the set of dippers discussed above with the slide rule type chart that is probably 50 years old.

They are not mine, but a buddy has a set of Lee dies for a 577/450 Snyder (sp?) that are a work of art.
 
I have a bias against junk. Like stuff sold at Harbor Freight. Due to the price and appearance, my assumption was Lee stuff was junk. Not expensive, but not finding it to be junk either. To the contrary.......not understanding how it works so well for the price.

The engineering involved reminds me of some Australians I know. They have an uncanny knack for building inexpensive and unconventional stuff that works remarkably well.
 
I bought the Lee $100 reloading kit about 15 years ago and I still use most of it. I like their press with the breech locks. The powder thrower is pretty accurate and I have no need to get a better one, but I added a $20 RCBS powder trickler. I bought a RCBS 10-10 scale and recently sold the Lee scale on ebay for $25. The Lee scale is enough accurate, but kind of hard to set up with the tiny plastic slide, but for the price, it can't be beat.
I really like the simple case trimmers and chamfer tools. I connect the trimmer to my cordless drill, I can work fast, and all my cases are exact same length. It is less than $10 to add a new caliber.
This has been my set up since the beginning and it works for me.
 
I bought one of their Pro1000s when it first came out and what a nightmare. I didn't buy anything else lee except the Auto Prime ll which I still use today.
Then they came out with the ABLP and fixed the timing issues the old Pro1000 had so I decided to try one again. (30 years later).
I really like that little press and use it for all my .357magnums.
Day before yesterday I ordered the APP press. It should be here today according to tracking. They have come a long ways with their presses.
I am still using the Pro Auto Disc measure off that old pro 1000 today. That measure was a home run for them as far as I'm concerned.
People can say what they want about Lee plastic but the powder hopper on that 30 year old measure is still as nice today as it was back when I bought it.
My Hornady measure is brown and pitted up from all the use. My RCBS Uniflow from the early 90s, I never could get to measure most powders accurately so it was never used much.
I also revisited Lee later on in life and like their products a whole lot more now.
 
Reloading gear is becoming cheaper and cheaper… well compared to earlier this year!
 
Continues to amuse and impress. Latest? That goofy looking little powder measure.

To summarize the saga.......about 6 months back, I made the call to resume reloading for rifle after several decades of dependence on factory ammo.

Put out some feelers for equipment and found a guy who was no longer loading much, had been given a loading setup by an uncle, so had two of everything. He offered me a bunch of it for not much moolah......so I took it. Included a Lee breech lock press and about 2/3rds of what had been a Lee reloading kit. One of those was the little powder measure.

Took one look at that......vs. the RCBS Uniflow I wound up with.....and dismissed it as total junk. Just a bunch of injection molded plastic and junk metal.

But then yesterday, spent way more time than I thought I ought to trying to get a repeatable powder dump from the Uniflow. This from a coarse stick powder. The problem being that big wide cylinder that requires one to cut those coarse powder grains off to meter it. Then took notice of the Lee......with it's small diameter, but deep measure, and set it up too. To my surprise, it worked really well. In fact, as good or better than the Uniflow. Just a simple little piece of junk......that was working.

But that seems to be the case with a lot of their stuff. Simple, and inexpensive case trimmers. Dies that include that goofy little power scoop.......that likely as not is not far off from giving you a decent load.

One of the thing's I've kept over the years, something my Dad bought but never used, was one of those Lee Powder scoop kits. A collection of cc scoops. That would be one thing, but it also included a paper slide rule chart of sorts that you use to determine powder charges. When you consider the time.......nearly 50 years ago, utter brilliance.

Not for everyone, but that Lee stuff does get the job done if the job is to make something decent to go bang.
But, wait, there's more... if you're one of the first 15 callers.....
 
I wonder is anyone remembers the complants about Ruger's early handguns? Stamped steel frame? Total junk! (Mk I 22 pistol). Die cast aluminum revolver frames? Cheap pot metal! (Bearcat, Single six). I still have my Single Six bought in 1971 that's still accurate after maybe 10,000 rounds, about 1/3 22 Magnums.

Lee makes innovative equipment with modern materials and manufacturing methods. I have a C-H $$$ powder measure and an old Lee PPM and the Lee is as repearable (or more so with some powders) than the C-H. I've got at least a dozen more good examples. I have been using hand tools for nearly all my working life and very rarely buy by name or color, but instead how they work for me and I've found cost is not indicative of how well a tool is manufactured or designed, thus 85%+ of my reloading tools/equipment is Lee (14 die sets, 11 bullet molds, case trimmers, priming tools, etc.) and the only failure I've had are my fault, misuse of the tool.

I worked for 25 years at a very large city utilities department with the last 20 in a Heavy Construction Equipment repair facility, I saw first hand "Tool Snobs" ( those that purchas only the names, and colors of tools mostly used by their favorite TV motorcycle builder or NASCAR pit crew. "If it ain't SnapOn, or what their choice is, it's junk"). I see the same in reloading tools/equipment. The only Lee tool I will not use is their Factory Crimp die for handgun cartridges. Lee had a good idea for those that don't know how to adjust their dies to get rounds that chamber, but in 40+ years of reloading and have never had the need to post crimp resize any handlosds including 9mm (reloaded for 28 years), 45 ACP (loaded for 25+ years) or 380 ACP (approx. 11 years).

I've been called a "Lee fan-boy" (but I've been called much worse!) but I chalk that up to ignorance of tool users and I believe I can use a tool for it's designed purpose without destroying it...
 
About those dippers... the chart's not accurate. But it's close. I make my own charts and dippers for different throws. Lee sells the dippers individually as replacement parts for their reloading die kits. I bought extra .3CC, .5CC and .7CC dippers, .005" and .010" thick .32/.38/.44 caliber fiber wads, and cement them together in the bottoms to change the fill/throw. With a powder trickler (I use one of the Frankford's) it's about as accurate as you're going to get, throw-to-throw. I also measure every throw, never got into mass-processing or bulk reloading, so it works for me. Like I always tell people, don't do what I do, you do you. Just because it works for me, don't mean it'll work for you.
 
Continues to amuse and impress. Latest? That goofy looking little powder measure.

To summarize the saga.......about 6 months back, I made the call to resume reloading for rifle after several decades of dependence on factory ammo.

Put out some feelers for equipment and found a guy who was no longer loading much, had been given a loading setup by an uncle, so had two of everything. He offered me a bunch of it for not much moolah......so I took it. Included a Lee breech lock press and about 2/3rds of what had been a Lee reloading kit. One of those was the little powder measure.

Took one look at that......vs. the RCBS Uniflow I wound up with.....and dismissed it as total junk. Just a bunch of injection molded plastic and junk metal.

But then yesterday, spent way more time than I thought I ought to trying to get a repeatable powder dump from the Uniflow. This from a coarse stick powder. The problem being that big wide cylinder that requires one to cut those coarse powder grains off to meter it. Then took notice of the Lee......with it's small diameter, but deep measure, and set it up too. To my surprise, it worked really well. In fact, as good or better than the Uniflow. Just a simple little piece of junk......that was working.

But that seems to be the case with a lot of their stuff. Simple, and inexpensive case trimmers. Dies that include that goofy little power scoop.......that likely as not is not far off from giving you a decent load.

One of the thing's I've kept over the years, something my Dad bought but never used, was one of those Lee Powder scoop kits. A collection of cc scoops. That would be one thing, but it also included a paper slide rule chart of sorts that you use to determine powder charges. When you consider the time.......nearly 50 years ago, utter brilliance.

Not for everyone, but that Lee stuff does get the job done if the job is to make something decent to go bang.

I use the Lee scoops all the time, even though I have several automated and volumetric measures at my disposal. Definitely a nice addition to any reloading bench.
 
I started several years back with a RockChucker and Uniflo powder measure, eased up to a Lee Turret, still used the Uniflo, then along comes Dillon..kids gifted me a 550B about 8 years back, and I was set...except the Dillon Powder measure had to be moved to each caliber change..wanted to use Dillon measures, checked the price, bought my first Lee Auto Drum, liked it so much, got another...tried it on my Dillon, now have 4 on my Dillon caliber conversions, and two still on Lee turret changes...Dillon makes great stuff, but that Lee Auto Drum is just as accurate, and a lot less expensive.
 
I use the Lee scoops all the time, even though I have several automated and volumetric measures at my disposal...
As do I.

I started with a set of Lee dies (circa 1987) and a pound of Clays powder. Didn't own a scale for several years, I threw the powder charges with the scoop included in the die set.

I still use the scoops in certain situations, and own a set of the yellow along with a set of the earlier red scoops.
I also have some homemade scoops.
 
I’ve got quite a few Lee dies, and for the most part, I have zero complaints. I have a Lee 4 hole turret press that I find myself using more often than my RCBS Rock Chucker Supreme. I also have the Lee Bench Primer and like it quite well. All in all, I have no issues with any of the Lee products I have.
 
I used Lee equipment exclusively for at least the first 20 years of my reloading journey and had exactly 0 problems. I got the challenger anniversary kit in 88/89 and figured out how to load for a marlin 30-30, Contender 30-30, sks 7.62x39, m91-30 7.62x54R and a Baretta 92 9mm. I wasn’t shooting a lot the first couple years, but I was learning it and accuracy was the goal in all of them. I used that kit until 22 years ago when I lost it in a house fire and immediately replaced it along with a Loadmaster and dies for 223, 308, 38, 40, 45, and 357 and bullet molds for all. In all those years I broke 3 hand primers, a sprue plate, 2 decamping pins, and 2 Reloader presses. Everything was replaced free by Lee quickly and hassle free, and I could have spent more for a different color press, but saw no reason to.
 
I use the Lee scoops all the time, even though I have several automated and volumetric measures at my disposal. Definitely a nice addition to any reloading bench.
Same here, I actually just bought the set . I find with scoops and my dandy trickler I can load accurate ammo in a simple way that takes little time .
 
I would say that the company who's powder measure has two separate cylinders with different diameter chambers for both large or small powder charges has an elegant answer to your problem.
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