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And your next big decision will be choice of scope. Let us know what you finally choose.
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Why do you keep attacking me? I'm starting from scratch, I've said that numerous times. It's not like there is a manual that says, "Here is everything you need to know in order of importance. "I'm reading all of the websites that say LRP for beginners.
How am I supposed to know that a fluted barrel is for advanced Shooters?
Just chill man. I'm here to learn not get flamed.
He's not attacking you, just being a little blunt.
He's right, fluting is a waste of money for a long range rifle that will be used a lot. The benefits of flutes for cooling is vastly over rated IMHO. Weight can be controlled with barrel contour.
I didn't pay for cerrokote on my 2nd barrel, much less the number of barrels VT and taliv must be on, Rustoleum Professional looks as good or better, and it's cheap.
Spend the money where it counts, better barrels, better bullets, better actions, a great trigger, and practice ammo.
He's right, fluting is a waste of money for a long range rifle that will be used a lot. The benefits of flutes for cooling is vastly over rated IMHO. Weight can be controlled with barrel contour.
I didn't pay for cerrokote on my 2nd barrel, much less the number of barrels VT and taliv must be on, Rustoleum Professional looks as good or better, and it's cheap.
Spend the money where it counts, better barrels, better bullets, better actions, a great trigger, and practice ammo.
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You are not being attacked being blunt is not an attack he is doing you a favor and the rest of us by not wasting your time or ours if you have anymore questions feel free to ask first thing first let’s figure out exactly what your wanting to do
1.) Shoot at 1,000 yards occasionally
2.) Shoot at 1,000 yards frequently
3.) Shoot at 1,000 yards as often as I can?
Know once We get that figured out next is do you want to Hit a 3x3’ steel plate once in a blue moon or do you want to do this often
After that We need to talk Budget (2k) for a rifle is plenty bolt action/Semi auto? (Bolt will be easier to runtime start) what about a scope?
Then We need to pick a cartridge……
Then after all that we can talk barrel length twist rates fluting and such
so start small then build from there
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When I’ve attacked you, you’d know it.
What I hate seeing is folks misleading themselves or being mislead down the wrong paths in LRP. Chasing the wrong rabbits won’t get you fed, so don’t waste your time chasing them.
What I’m trying to share with you is that you seem to have blinders on to what a lot of folks are trying to tell you - You’re chasing the wrong rabbits. Don’t get distracted by subjective preferences or minuscule influences. Grab a rifle and go shoot. Whether you pick a 26” or 22” 6 creed or 7-08, single stage triggers or two, stainless fluted heavy barrel or magnum sporter, it really won’t matter nearly as much as these other parameters I’ve mentioned. Getting to 1,000 yards is FAR MORE ABOUT THE SHOOTER than it is about the rifle or cartridge. Getting to 1500 yards does take more doing than 1,000, since many cartridges will fall apart between 1,000 and 1500, but 1,000 is largely attainable with almost any bottlenecked centerfire cartridge in almost any rifle.
There are several “manuals” for marksmanship which will lead you down a more fruitful path than you’ve developed for yourself via whatever websites you’re seeking. I can’t say I’ve found many websites yet as good as many of the books out there on the topic, and I will also mention, I can’t say I’ve found even any books as good as many of the instruction CLASSES out there. You can learn more in a day of instruction than you’ll learn in months of web reading.
The Cleckner book is a fantastic reference. Read it.
Fluted barrels aren’t “for advanced shooters.” They’re largely for suckers who think flutes look cool. Fluting does nothing to enhance accuracy or rifle performance. Sometimes I’m a sucker too - I like the look of fluted barrels. But I’ve never spent a dime on fluting for any purpose other than aesthetics, even thinly veiled as “weight reduction.” They look cool. But don’t waste your time learning and memorizing anything at all to do with barrel fluting at this stage - learn about something which actually influences Precision.
That will serve you well. If you find you simply love doing this, you can always upgrade from there, the sky's the limit.
https://www.milehighshooting.com/hornady-81500-6-5-creedmoor-140gr-eld-match-20-box/
Before you freak about the price, prices are nuts these days, when it gets back to normal it will be more like $25 than $45.
Before you freak about the price, prices are nuts these days, when it gets back to normal it will be more like $25 than $45.
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I think I would be a bit PO 'ed . the forum is about a sharing not drilling.
Im out
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He’s just trying to establish dominance. Be glad we’re not in person. He’d prob try to pee on you.
we could be a bit more new shooter friendly
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Nah, if we were in person, I’d have been just as blunt as I was on page 2 and said, “don’t overthink this,” and then taken him to the range and helped him evaporate the mystique of 1,000yrd shooting within an hour and the thread never would have happened.
Whenever this question is asked (which is effectively daily), we all tend to get axle wrapped about what is optimal for one 1,000 yard application or another, which twists new shooters into knots - especially when they’re just going after a simple milestone accomplishment. Just go shoot.
@taliv said it a page ago as well... the context of the thread is broad, so the answers are broad.
Lots of folks point to specific options - like the Ruger Precision rifle - whenever this type of broad question is asked. But it’s twice as expensive as it could be if the guy just want a a 1,000yrd patch to scratch his itch. OR if he wants to shoot registered matches, well, look at the BEAUTIFUL stock SPJ posted this week and reason whether that stock and an RPR make sense on the same firing line. The guy started out by asking for a “sniper rifle,” which the RPR is much more suited than a heavy class bench rifle would be, but neither are really necessary if a guy just wants to make impacts at 1,000.
New LR shooters don’t know what they don’t know, and worse, often don’t know what they really want - as demonstrated in this thread when the goalpost moved from 1,000 yards to 1,500 yards on page 2...
I’d guess at least half of us who have commented on this thread could walk into a Cabela’s with $1500 and come out with a rifle, optic, and ammo which could hit a 2moa target at 1,000yrds within an hour of ammo testing, chrono check, and zero establishment. The rest of us COULD too, and likely already own a rifle which could, just might not have had the wind reading experience to do it as readily.
So like I said above: Don’t overthink this. Just go shoot.
Whenever this question is asked (which is effectively daily), we all tend to get axle wrapped about what is optimal for one 1,000 yard application or another, which twists new shooters into knots - especially when they’re just going after a simple milestone accomplishment. Just go shoot.
@taliv said it a page ago as well... the context of the thread is broad, so the answers are broad.
Lots of folks point to specific options - like the Ruger Precision rifle - whenever this type of broad question is asked. But it’s twice as expensive as it could be if the guy just want a a 1,000yrd patch to scratch his itch. OR if he wants to shoot registered matches, well, look at the BEAUTIFUL stock SPJ posted this week and reason whether that stock and an RPR make sense on the same firing line. The guy started out by asking for a “sniper rifle,” which the RPR is much more suited than a heavy class bench rifle would be, but neither are really necessary if a guy just wants to make impacts at 1,000.
New LR shooters don’t know what they don’t know, and worse, often don’t know what they really want - as demonstrated in this thread when the goalpost moved from 1,000 yards to 1,500 yards on page 2...
I’d guess at least half of us who have commented on this thread could walk into a Cabela’s with $1500 and come out with a rifle, optic, and ammo which could hit a 2moa target at 1,000yrds within an hour of ammo testing, chrono check, and zero establishment. The rest of us COULD too, and likely already own a rifle which could, just might not have had the wind reading experience to do it as readily.
So like I said above: Don’t overthink this. Just go shoot.
yes, but that was not at all the case just 10 years ago. and because there are so few 1000 yard ranges, very very few people have experience actually shooting 1000 yards, so most people get their info on the topic from some guy on the internet who posted something his cousin told him, who heard it from his brother-in-law who was a cop, who heard it from his dept sniper, who never shot past 100. that's why we're still dealing with misinformation from 1980s sniper movies.
It is legit difficult for new shooters to determine what is good info and bad info about long range shooting.
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I've shot my .308 Savage Long Range Hunter to 600 yards about 5 times.
Each time at 600 yards I shot about 200 rounds.
The best I got was 178 out of 200 onto a steel plate 8"s in diameter.
Took me about 60 practice rounds to find out where my bullets were going because it's kinda hard to spot for
yourself!
With the next box of ammo I couldn't hit the side of a barn if I was inside it. Have no clue as to why. As far as I knew everything
was the same. Might have been wind but there were no "tell tails" to use.
Could have been I heated up the barrel too much but I doubt it, it was the middle of January up in the Rocky Mountains.
Finding a place to shoot 1000 yards has proven to be rather difficult, even up in the mountains. There is a regular shooting range south of town but you have to reserve it and it seems there's a waiting list 2 months long!!
Each time at 600 yards I shot about 200 rounds.
The best I got was 178 out of 200 onto a steel plate 8"s in diameter.
Took me about 60 practice rounds to find out where my bullets were going because it's kinda hard to spot for
yourself!
With the next box of ammo I couldn't hit the side of a barn if I was inside it. Have no clue as to why. As far as I knew everything
was the same. Might have been wind but there were no "tell tails" to use.
Could have been I heated up the barrel too much but I doubt it, it was the middle of January up in the Rocky Mountains.
Finding a place to shoot 1000 yards has proven to be rather difficult, even up in the mountains. There is a regular shooting range south of town but you have to reserve it and it seems there's a waiting list 2 months long!!
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I guess I shouldn't complain about having to drive upto maunakea considering we can shoot as far as we want up there without a ton of effort......dust makes spotting miss fairly easy, but actually compensating for the misses is a bit harder because of the wind......even after years of plinking up there im still no good a guessing what itll do.
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Personally, I think your next step is a 6mm Creedmoor still low recoil flat shooting with great BC’s. Shoot that until you are bored at 1,000 yards with some wind and then worry about 1,500 yards plus. In regards to platform, I would be looking at the Ruger Precision with a possible trigger upgrade depending on how the stock trigger can or cannot be tuned to. This would keep the budget at a 1 week on the couch, with the misses things get expensive fast and we still haven’t talked optics which are more important.
Once the above happens I like 7mm’s and would probably choose a 280ai but my bias is showing with this one. But it would be a good choice.
Once the above happens I like 7mm’s and would probably choose a 280ai but my bias is showing with this one. But it would be a good choice.
Fwiw when I was competing I would practice out to 1100 yards. But when I stopped competing and went to practical practice, my focus shifted to head shots 600 and in. In the real world targets don’t get bigger just because you move them back to 1000 or 1500 yards. And honestly 500 was my limit on confidence in a first round hit. It started dropping at 600 and fell off dramatically past 700. And that’s assuming mountains aren’t involved.
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I bought Cleckner's book. Thank you.
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Out of curiosity if I put my Vortex Scope on my Sig Sauer Tread AR-15 what distance do you think it would be accurate to?My Custom Cerakoted Punisher AR15. In honor of Chris Kyle.
Magpul Punisher Fore-Grip and Pistol Grip, Magpul Stock, Trijicon Trigger, Sig Sauer Red Dot, Precision Armament MK72 Muzzle Brea
100-150yds is about as far as im comfortable with an unmagnified optic and actually hitting what im aiming at. I have a Bushnell Lil'P on my AR. I might actually take that out with us on Tuesday and see if I cant get a few hits with it at distance.
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I gotta ask what the wrench for
when I see a wrench that large on a table with guns i just dont ask....1/2 or 12 would be for tigtening....OH muzzle brake......
Im digging the 12ga chamber flag myself
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