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Unit19
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Stopped by my local gun shop today while I was out and about and they had CCI SPP. $11.99 for 100. Looked like two bricks on the shelf. I left them there. No way I'm paying that unless I run out. The last time I bought CCI SPP I paid $34.95 and tax for 1000. I know those days are gone.
gonoles_1980
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This is why people who "hoard" like me help out. We have our supply in place (though I'm out of SPM primers), but I have enough SP and LP primers left to last at least a year. By me not being in the market, it allows those who are in need to buy at the higher prices, but keeps from driving them up more. By 2023 it could be me paying for the high priced primers.
Hooda Thunkit
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Lee is 100% made in USA.
Coyote conquest
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I don't think primers will ever come down to what they were just because inflation. Your hard earned dollar is worth a lot less now. True inflation (shadow stats.com) is close to 15% and climbing every month. What will it be this time next year? I think whenever supply catches up they will be above $50 and maybe $60.
LiveLife
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And C-H also made in the USA - https://www.ch4d.com/home
Based on previous component shortages, primer prices did drop back to almost pre-shortage prices BRIEFLY before steadily climbing back up over time of several months to years. After the "Great Component Shortage" of 2012, I think we were surprised to see S&B primers drop to $20/1000 and Winchester primers to $27/1000 by 2019. When some members asked "Will the primer prices fall further?", I think most responses were "No" and urged others to stock up as much as possible before prices went back up.
This protracted shortage, with unprecedented likely tens of millions of new gun owners buying guns, will likely extend the "recovery" period longer than previous component shortages as we have already seen. (I think many of us expected the recovery to have taken place already) But at least, looks like primers are coming back in stock and staying "in stock" longer each time which indicates we may have turned around the supply-demand peak and started the recovery phase where primers will return back "in stock" before prices start falling.
How low will the price return? I am not sure but my guess based on previous shortages could be around $39/1000 with occasional sales below that if supply glut forces some retailers/vendors to liquidate at lower profit margin. Will we ever see $20/1000 again? I don't think so. And if I see $29/1000, you bet I will be stocking up like I did in 2019 when primers were $20/1000.
GeoDudeFlorida
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Don’t ignore the effects of inflation and a falling dollar.
bullseye308
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I paid 6.99/100 for 600 CCI SRP because I didn’t expect to be shooting as much 223 as I will be now that I have a bolt gun and the AR. I had plenty for the AR, as well as powder and bullets, but the bolt needed better bullets and I prefer CCI for anything serious. Other than that the most I ever spent was $23.99/1000 and I bought 5 years worth plus what I had loaded plus 15k pieces of primed brass I already had. Stocked up on powder from Midsouth a couple years ago with no hazmat or shipping, just a nice hour drive.
LiveLife
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Yup, that's why I hinted $39/1000 and not $20/1000 for my best guesstimate bottom after recovery of current shortage.
Jim Watson
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A friend was given some CCI SPP. I traded Federals for them; he needs the softer primers for his light spring PPC revolvers. There was a store tag, $69.99. I might pay that as my stock gets lower.
The last primers I bought pre-Covid were $28 with a 25% WW rebate. I think the settled price will be double the net cost, $42 at best, likelier $50.
The last primers I bought pre-Covid were $28 with a 25% WW rebate. I think the settled price will be double the net cost, $42 at best, likelier $50.
Hooda Thunkit
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Right now, my strike price is under $40. If I see $35/k I'll spend up to $1000 on ass't primers.
I've been predicting $50-60/k when this all settles out, if it ever does. I hadn't taken into account the runaway inflation we're seeing.
I hope you are correct, and my prediction is wrong.
W.E.G.
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Pay the price you can afford for the parts you need.
That's the rule whether its "salad days" or "crying time."
Fifteen-cent primers are no problem for some buyers. For other buyers, fifteen-cent primers are "find a new hobby."
What can you truly afford?... and how bad do you need/want it?
Prices might come down. Or it may become illegal to acquire things in the manner to which we are accustomed. My gut tells me the next half-century will bear little resemblance to what we have lived in the preceding half-century.
I'm an old man. Recently, I can't help but look at myself as that stereotypical "sky is falling" panicked old man.
If things get much worse, we won't be doing much recreational shooting anyway. Might be time to take stock of your airgun supplies if you want to shoot guns just for fun.
Meanwhile, I overpaid for primers recently. I sure did. Hurt my wallet, but didn't hurt my feelings. I'm set for primers for a real long time. I feel good about that. Hope I live long enough to shoot them. Hope I continue to have opportunity to shoot them.
I don't plan on every being quartermaster or armorer for any large organization. Everything I need ammunition-wise for the end of the world (at least the end of MY world) is accounted for in one gun safe and a small number of ammo cans.
That's the rule whether its "salad days" or "crying time."
Fifteen-cent primers are no problem for some buyers. For other buyers, fifteen-cent primers are "find a new hobby."
What can you truly afford?... and how bad do you need/want it?
Prices might come down. Or it may become illegal to acquire things in the manner to which we are accustomed. My gut tells me the next half-century will bear little resemblance to what we have lived in the preceding half-century.
I'm an old man. Recently, I can't help but look at myself as that stereotypical "sky is falling" panicked old man.
If things get much worse, we won't be doing much recreational shooting anyway. Might be time to take stock of your airgun supplies if you want to shoot guns just for fun.
Meanwhile, I overpaid for primers recently. I sure did. Hurt my wallet, but didn't hurt my feelings. I'm set for primers for a real long time. I feel good about that. Hope I live long enough to shoot them. Hope I continue to have opportunity to shoot them.
I don't plan on every being quartermaster or armorer for any large organization. Everything I need ammunition-wise for the end of the world (at least the end of MY world) is accounted for in one gun safe and a small number of ammo cans.
stonebuster
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I picked up 1K CCI SRP at Bass Pro a couple days ago for $79, $85 after tax. I started reloading last December so I never bought at the $40 range except for 3K SPP a friend sold me to get started. Sure, I'd like to find them cheaper but at 8 1/2 cents/ea. I can still save a lot vs factory ammo and I enjoy reloading. I'm 71, retired and saved enough we can still enjoy life without sweating the bills, so we're lucky. Funny though, I'm still cutting, splitting and burning wood to heat our house because I'm too cheap to turn on the thermostat.
CQB45ACP
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The costs you’re avoiding by cutting and splitting your own firewood vs. buying and using a peloton will easily offset any primer expenses. So, enjoy.
The primer prices may drop soon, later, or not at all, but for you (and me and others like us) it’s all about shooting so it’s just a cost we must bear. And of course, available is better than unavailable.
markr6754
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I'm in a different sort of pickle. I built up a large supply of small pistol and rifle primers, including magnums, but neglected to add to my large pistol supply. Nonetheless, every time we are out and about, my wife insists on me buying any primers I can find, as well as factory ammo. I now have 4 times the quantity of everything...powders, small primers, brass, projectiles, factory ammo, than I had pre-Covid. All except large pistol, where I'm down to 3 bricks. I'm hoping that when the time comes I can arrange a swap of something small for lpp. While I haven't found anything lately, my last primer pickups (May) were $54.99/k ($58.84 w/tax).
So while I keep reading about increased availability, but very pricey primers, I haven't encountered any since May. I'll admit, I'd be hard pressed to justify paying more than 5.8 cents each for primers, but my wife's insistence on buying when it's in stock may override that. Her justification for buying factory ammo? It saves me having to use my stash of primers. What a woman!!
Happily, my cost per projectile has come down significantly, such that I can still load 380ACP and 9mm for far less than factory.
So while I keep reading about increased availability, but very pricey primers, I haven't encountered any since May. I'll admit, I'd be hard pressed to justify paying more than 5.8 cents each for primers, but my wife's insistence on buying when it's in stock may override that. Her justification for buying factory ammo? It saves me having to use my stash of primers. What a woman!!
Happily, my cost per projectile has come down significantly, such that I can still load 380ACP and 9mm for far less than factory.
LiveLife
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Since you have SP primers, have you considered using 45ACP cases with small primer pockets?
This way you can continue to use SP primers while conserving LP primers.
markr6754
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LL, I haven't given that any thought as yet. I have LPP for 45ACP and 458 SOCOM. Those are my only LPP needs. I'll have to consider that approach at some point. I only shoot about 300 - 400 rounds of 45ACP a year. For now, I've only loaded samples of 458 SOCOM, as I've yet to fire that AR while waiting for factory ammo to appear. Thus, I have some time to wait things out. Time will tell. Having said that I recently acquired a stash of 185gr JHP that I'm anxious to test out...so maybe I'll be looking for SP 45ACP cases sooner than expected.Since you have SP primers, have you considered using 45ACP cases with small primer pockets? This way you can continue to use SP primers while conserving LP primers.
M&P9
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Walkalong..... From a new reloadier waiting to reload my first round I appreciate the positive attitude. 2022 is a new year and new possibilities LOL!!Be patient, it could be sooner than you think, get past Christmas, then the start of a new year, folks are broke, economy gets worse...........interest rates go up.......folks said the same thing last time, be patient, ease up on the doom and gloom, the glass is half full.
GeoDudeFlorida
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Well, like my physics professor used to say, the glass is always full - it's only the proportion of air to liquid that changes.Be patient, it could be sooner than you think, get past Christmas, then the start of a new year, folks are broke, economy gets worse...........interest rates go up.......folks said the same thing last time, be patient, ease up on the doom and gloom, the glass is half full.
This has been worse. I know four former reloaders, personally. I only know one other current reloader and he's thinking of getting out of it because of the hassles of ordering and waiting, only to get damaged goods and having to go through horrible customer service. I haven't had any issues like that at all.
The Global Chip Crisis makes the ammo crisis look small and that's still getting worse, not better so I agree with telling people to be patient and don't jump on bargains unless you know the seller is going to stand by their wares. Best advice I can give to new reloaders is to consider shopping around and asking questions. It's tough out there right now.
Telum Pisces
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A LGS had SPP and SRP sitting on the shelves in stacks of bricks. Price? $149.99 per 1K. I said nope and left the huge stack sitting there as have a ton of others apparently.
Some ways yes, some ways no, hasn't lasted as long yet, we can still buy .22 LR, but retailers are taking better advantage of our plight this time.
This is what I've noticed.
They were more willing to raise prices when it first started..didn't get caught out holding prices down. Also seems that they are more willing to hold the line at higher prices since they know there are a lot of new shooters buying who are just accepting it as the cost of the hobby
ballman6711
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Primers are coming back in stock, as is powder. Brass is still kind of hit or miss for anything I'm looking for, but then 480 Ruger brass has never really been common. Bullets haven't been a problem for me, but I'm stocked up on those anyway.
This is my first reloading shortage, and I'm learning as are many others to have things stocked up. I have been through several ammo shortages though, so have plenty of that.
Things appear to be turning a corner, and coming back in stock in dribs and drabs, just have to be patient.
chris
This is my first reloading shortage, and I'm learning as are many others to have things stocked up. I have been through several ammo shortages though, so have plenty of that.
Things appear to be turning a corner, and coming back in stock in dribs and drabs, just have to be patient.
chris
Howland937
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I know a couple myself, but they've been out of it for a few years...so current events haven't bothered them. I've tried to convince them that their gear will likely never be worth as much as it is right now (well, 6-8 months ago when we had the conversation). Both offered to front me anything I needed but are keeping hold for the time being.
No real clue how much of a stash either of them actually have, but would probably be enough to get a person or 2 started in reloading. Can't blame them for keeping it for a rainy day either, though.
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