Ken Hackathorn did a fair take on it here:
Hackathorn also points out the negatives
of the red dots for daily carry and defensive
handgun uses.
Looks like red loctite was used. You need to heat that up before removing the screws.I’ve been migrating to red dot sights on some of my handguns. The new S&W 2.0 10MM wears a Holosun 507 but I did have this happen last range session. Used a drill and easy out to get the Holosun factory broken screw out and replaced both with a McMaster Carr torqs stronger mount screws.
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Looks like red loctite was used. You need to heat that up before removing the screws.
So what gun was it that this was mounted too, if you don't mind me asking?It wasn’t actually loctite but some type of factory rubberized thread locker but not the permanent red locktite we all know. I only use blue locktite on my fasteners.
So what gun was it that this was mounted too, if you don't mind me asking?
Well, if you are shooting at a target that represents a full frontal adult at 10 yards you are most likely correct. However, if you need to accomplish a head shot against a target that has an innocent covering part of your target zone, yes it makes the difference between the innocent being dead or not.I just went through this analysis and concluded that red dots offer little or no advantage when engaging targets inside 10 yards. Hence the only gun I've equipped with a red dot is my Glock 10mm which is my hiking companion.
You quoted something I said and then wrote this (above) statement as if you were responding to me. I didn't say this, 12Bravo20 did. But he's not incorrect, if you look deeper. "With iron sights, one [DOES] ha[ve] to focus [his eye] on the front sight AND focus [his attention] the target."
When someone says a slogan like "red dots are the future" they are repeating a sales pitch gimmick (unknowingly most of the time) and useing it as a subconsious way to boost their own ego to reinforce a decision they have made. Lots of people fall for that type of stuff.
Best thing Aimpoint or Trijicon could do right now (if they have not already) is pay Keannu Reeves to put a red dot on his pistol for the next John Wick Film and do some training photo ops useing the product. Its an old trick but people always fall for it.
Speaking for myself, choosing a green dot had nothing to do with ego or wanting to be a "cool kid". I see them simply as another tool that are advantageous for me, even if they are not so for others.
Huh? I never called them a fad or said that they would go away. I was calling out the cult of the hip crowd's stupidity and doing to them as they do to everyone else that hasn't been "converted" in their eyes. I'm a firm believer of live and let live so MYOB and let others like what they don't or do like without trying to act as if we all have a voted say in this matter. The prices will never become Chinesium prices if that's what you were hoping for. Forward Controls Design has a mount that doesn't shear sheer any screw.I understand all the pros and cons. All that really matters to me is the individual product. When everyone gets up to the point that they are all making enclosed systems (like the Aimpoint) and the prices are more reasonable then I will put a couple on range pistols for fun. I have tried a few of the open systems and they were fine but just too "wide Open" for my taste. I cant bring myself to spend how much those new Aimpoints are going for. The mounts and screws sheering are still a concern for me as well.
I dont think they will go away though. The "fad" part will but reflex optics are not going anywhere anytime soon. Coming close to 80 years now so they will stay around. Fads tend to come in waves and we are in one again now with the red dots among other things. Ken is no spring chicken so he has seen lots of fads/waves come, go, come back, go again etc. etc.
Staring into my crystal ball I am pretty confident the "future" will be more fads/waves pulled from the past and repackaged as the next "Big" thing.
I can say that there is no way I am changing anything on my Frame mounted Ultradot tube equiped pistols. Those puppies are dialed in with around 20 years on them and have never failed. They may look spacey and sci-fi but they have proven themselves.
Huh? I never called them a fad or said that they would go away. I was calling out the cult of the hip crowd's stupidity and doing to them as they do to everyone else that hasn't been "converted" in their eyes. I'm a firm believer of live and let live so MYOB and let others like what they don't or do like without trying to act as if we all have a voted say in this matter. The prices will never become Chinesium prices if that's what you were hoping for. Forward Controls Design has a mount that doesn't shear sheer any screw.
No need, we're fine friend.No worries there. I wasnt directing that at you if it came off that way. Ill go back and fix it
Look up occluded eye aiming. The Son Tay Raiders used that on their carbines and killed a heck of a lot of NVA and their Russian and PLA advisors while trying to rescue American POW's at no loss to our own side.
People are either going to like what they like or not. It's not up to us to force red dots on handguns upon them. Yes it's easy to use but speed of use, just the same as they would for irons too. Anyway, if they decide it's for them, cool. If they never do decide that, also cool. We as a community need to stop trying to use peer pressure upon ourselves, and start accepting them if they don't or do on any subject that we all seem to want to eat our own with and quite frankly it's gross that we even do that at all.We're kind of in that awkward transition phase right now. Virtually everyone that's trained extensively with them understands they're superior in speed and ease of use compared to irons but there's still denial and foot dragging. It's the same cycle we see with every new product: Amusement at the novelty > growing education and training > broad acceptance > consensus that you're wasting your time if you don't embrace it. Magnified scopes for rifles were ridiculed for a while but now you have to specifically order sights on a bolt gun in most cases. Dots on fighting carbines are so well proven that it's weird to see any credible expert not recommending them. As I see it the main issues have been getting pistol RDS down to where they're small enough, ruggedizing them so they're reliable enough and getting the prices down to where most people can afford one. And while some companies have jumped on making optics cuts standard other companies are seriously lagging behind. That's understandable as it makes no sense for a gunmaker to spend money on something that doesn't help sell more guns, and there's kind of a situation where they had to wait to see what the footprint will be. I do wish there was something akin to 1913 rails or USB-C, a standard that most makers adhere to. Right now there are a few but it's kind of the wild west where new RDS models will still sometimes eschew previous footprints in favor of a proprietary one. If you want a Glock or a Sig you have plenty of options. As an HK guy it bums me out that so far if you want a factory optic-ready gun they only offer the VP9.