Mike In Charleston
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SP - I bought the Cannon 21 gun safe several months ago from Tractor Supply and IIRC it was right around $650. Bring a couple of friends to get it set up.
So in other words, you would be comfortable with a safe built in some guy's garage as long as he used the same steel thickness and lock that he saw on a safe at the local safe dealer?
Again, it boils down to having at least some assurance from an independent, professional source.
Yes, many safe owners have tools and torches within a few feet of their safes. Again, we're talking random B&E here. I can count on one hand the number of safes I've had broken into over the past 30 years. Talk to your local police department and they will tell you that home burglars are usually in and out in less than ten minutes.
Seriously, you listed the type tools UL used in their RSC test, but you didn't tell us anything about how they went about using the tools.
Again, being the new guy on this forum, I assume you have shared with everyone that a professional can defeat any of the gun safes we've talked about by drilling one hole.
So you're telling people to lock their guns up in their cars?
There were two reasons I dropped AMSEC. One had to do with their new line-up, the other had to do with business practices I found to be unacceptable.Safeguy,
What did AMSEC do that made you not like their safes? I'm curious as this is one of the front runners in my search for a safe.
Hey, ask Sturdy if you think I'm wrong.Two brand-new but dulled to destruction TiN drill bits say you're wrong, SafeGuy. The cobalt bits worked but didn't exactly cut like butter. They were also brand new. I was using a heavy duty (1hp?) Milwaukee hammer drill (set on non-hammer, of course). The professional locksmith* who works for a bank maintenance company who was helping me didn't seem surprised that the steel was hardened. But what does he know, he mostly works on bank vaults. (*and uncle)
No imagination?Sorry, safes don't come in $500 increments
The price always ends with $----9.99Sorry, safes don't come in $500 increments
All right, round up, but please give us an answer of which ones you like and why? That should be easy enough. Which ones and why. I'll even narrow it down. Lets say between 2K & 3K as well as between 3K & 4K.I sell 72 x 40 safes which run anywhere from $1,145 to over $10K, but they don't come in $500 increments.
The price always ends with $----9.99
Question for anyone with the expertise: what is a typical steel alloy for a quality RSC (like AMSEC or Sturdy) and what would it be hardened to?
Just curious, because when I mounted my Sturdy I decided to drill different mounting holes than the ones it came with, and I destroyed two TiN coated bits, even while using cutting oil, before switching to cobalt bits. I had wrongly assumed that the thing was mild steel, and obviously it's something fairly hard.
That was about 10 years ago.
man I was looking forward to reading this thread before all that back and forth bickering :-(
Most safes are using A36 steel as their primary material. Some companies will refer to it as "high carbon" or some other name that sounded good in a marketing meeting. Safeguy is correct in that most gun safes will only have a harder material protecting the lock. Although none of the gun safe companies that I'm aware of are using it, some of the best "hard plate" on the market is not steel.
I have never encountered a gun safe that I couldn't put a hole in with a standard twist bit. Some of the higher end commercial plate safes use alloy doors which can prove a bit more stubborn.
"I bought a Liberty safe last year. Local store, delivery, etc. "
"Most major brands of safes in the $1.5K to $2.5K range are OK; maybe the Sturdy and AMSEC safes are "better" for theft resistance, but "most" burglery events will not last long enough to open a safe if it is bolted down."
"Insurance costs, even for peace of mind. You are more likely to have a fire anyway. "
Hey, if you can get that much for that opinion, I should start selling mine.Ok,
Safeguy we are all imoressed with how much you say you know, but would you mind answering the question posed to you.
I think this forum about sharing what you know or have learned that would help the OP,
Share or shut up.
My dollar two ninty eight opinion
Sorry if I appear dense, but what is your question?Fella's;
A direct answer to a posed question: I currently have on the floor, in the shop, a Graffunder B7240. It is approx 72" tall, 40" wide, and 27.5" deep. The steel is A36, the insulation is a proprietary concrete mixture. There is a continuous steel inner liner. The door is a 1/2" thick single slab of plate with the lockworks contained behind it. The lock itself is also surrounded by additional plate. At least one, two, or three, relockers are present. The placement & number are at random to enhance security. It weighs 2100 lbs. empty, has a burgundy gloss paint panel on the door, and brass hardware. There are 36 slots available in the convertible interior. It's selling price is $5,950.00.
Graffunder's are built to order. That's what this particular unit costs, but it's ballpark for that size & weight. A B level unit is the minimum U.L. construction rating that Graffunder builds to. You can get heavier if you care to.
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