Glock Gen4 crap out reports already coming in

yeah the glock owners are lazy and stupid. oops I foregot I just bought a 2nd gen G19 a few weeks ago.. doooh... guess better go get some mcdonalds and sit in my lazy boy and read MAD magazine and drool on myself... lol

glock owners are just "special" and really want everyone to like their guns. I got a buddy that was Glock this and Glcok that, until I finally went out and got my G19 (got a killer deal btw). Funny thing is I just went by my buddy's house the other day to show him my new SIG 229 (the older non rail model with SA/DA) and I could tell he was holding back from not drooling on it. But of course Glock owners will never admit there are better pistols out there.. My glock shoots fine, trigger is horrible, but nothing a new connector and some springs aren't gonna fix along with the normal polishing. All my Sigs on the other hand have always been 100% out of the box with no need for upgrades to triggers, etc...

the gen 4 (handled one yesterday) really looks like glock is trying to shoot themselves in the foot. oh well. at least it will make the value of 2nd and 3rd gen guns go up, since everybody will want one of them and not the 4th gen....

carry on

So Kimbers are the best 1911's because they sell the most? I'll take an Ed Brown.

What does this thread have to do with HK anyways?

I don't see why Glock had to mess that much with the Gen 3 line while not really creating anything that much different in the end. They could have added changeable backstraps and changed grip texturing without effecting the overall function of the gun. A lot of people like Glock because they know what to expect. Oh well, I bet they'll get it ironed out in the end. Meanwhile, they haven't discontinued the Gen3 line.

I'll tell you all, I wouldn't mind a Glock as a car gun. #1 because it will probably work in the bitter cold and #2 because I don't really care about it if it gets lost, rusts, stolen, ect.

It would be a Gen3 SF though...

All this varied fanboy crap is tiresome.
If you are a competent shooter you should be able to adapt to various platforms and still retain an adequate level of proficiency. If you prefer a specific platform, so what, everyone has an opinion.

As for G4 glocks... grips and a recoil spring, if the spring is problematic then replace it. Unless you are mechanically inept, it should take no longer than 30 seconds to swap out a recoil spring assembly on a glock.

For the record I own and enjoy shooting: a Detonics 1911, a S&W 642, Rugers MKII and LCP as well as a Glock19 (gen 2 I don't like the finger grooves on the gen 3)
All of these gun have various strengths and weaknesses in their respective designs. I am proficient with all of them.

The way some of you folks prattle on about this stuff reminds me of a bunch of high-school girls gossiping around the lunch room.
"Did you see that Glock, it is soooooo ugly uuuuu omg"
"I hear she'll feed anything, what a slut"
"That 1911 costs 2 grand!", "Ya I know, what a snob".

Sheesh guys grow up a little. They are machines. We don't judge a mechanic by his tools, we judge his competence by how well he performs. Are shooting and gun-handling really that different?

glock owners are just "special" and really want everyone to like their guns. I got a buddy that was Glock this and Glcok that, until I finally went out and got my G19 (got a killer deal btw). Funny thing is I just went by my buddy's house the other day to show him my new SIG 229 (the older non rail model with SA/DA) and I could tell he was holding back from not drooling on it. But of course Glock owners will never admit there are better pistols out there.. My glock shoots fine, trigger is horrible, but nothing a new connector and some springs aren't gonna fix along with the normal polishing. All my Sigs on the other hand have always been 100% out of the box with no need for upgrades to triggers, etc...

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I couldnt disagree with you more. It has nothing to do with glock owners. I know guys that only own 1911s and call all polymer guns crap. I know guys that only own sigs, and everything else is crap. Most of all, I own a glock, and would never say stupid things like "nothing is better, etc." I own a 1911, XD, several Rugers, etc. Where do I fit in then with your statement about "special" glock owners?

Seems to me that its common to hate on whats popular. Glock makes a good product, so people will hate it. Ironically, the same people I hear hate on a glock will then compare other guns to the glock. Why?

Full Metal Jacket said:

first of all, this is your business how?

secondly, his point is invalid because it's nonsense. "all glock owners are fat and lazy?" does that make sense to you?

and last (but not least), insulting people when you're a new member or long time member isn't cool (insert period here)


(oh, and "not well played")

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As much my business and anyone elses as yours. Public internet forum.... remember? No need to get butt hurt over this.

It does make sense when not read literally. (remember? internet?) The last sentence of my post spelled it out pretty clearly.

Point was your comment insinuates that 'popularity equals better' is not valid.
Originally Posted by Full Metal Jacket
....glocks are the most popular pistols in the world for a reason.

VW Bugs; one of the most popular cars in history..... Toyota Corollas one of the highest number of cars built in the world. McDonalds sells more burgers than anyone else. Sure, they're "popular" for a reason. Bud sells the most beer (I think). But lets be realistic about the reasons. Does that make sense to you?

And your right about the insulting part. Although......

Today 02:19 AM
Full Metal Jacket ^^^LMAO!

good rebuttal, my friend.

..... seems like it was said with an attempt to belittle which isnt cool either.


To bring this back to topic somewhat. The high popularity of a gun, or anything else, doesnt mean its superior. It just means its popular.

This is a forum about GUNS..... and not popularity..... right?


Now, back to the regularly scheduled GLOCK bickering.

Maybe it would be good to list the differences between Gen 3 and 4, for those of us who are not Glock-disciples? Personally, the one Glock I own, since 1993, is my "go-to" .45 (model 21); it has never disappointed me, except for when trying to feed SWC reloads (like most of the rest of my .45s...). I also own a M&P 9mm, and I have to say that it is one fine pistol as well. I'd like to know what Glock has changed between these generations.

Maybe it would be good to list the differences between Gen 3 and 4, for those of us who are not Glock-disciples?

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1)RTF3 frame texture.

2)SF grip and standard/large grip add on panels.

3)Enlarged, reversible mag catch.

4)Duel captured recoil spring assembly.

I said it earlier and I'll say it again. Really too early to tell whether the Gen4 Glocks are defective or more prone to malfunction than the previous ones. Right now we have a picture from "some guy" who experienced NO MALFUNCTIONS until he handed the pistol to a friend who was possibly limp wristing, according to the guy.

In the coming weeks, months and over the next year or so we'll really see whether or not there are major defects and if the reports really come streaming in. When you have hundreds of unique users experiencing the same problem over and over again and/or the company puts out a recall (Ruger SR9), then we have defective design that needs to be corrected.

Even the SR9 that I mentioned above, which had serious launch problems, is now generally regarded to be a solid and affordable defense gun that is reliable.

Wait and see.

Full Metal Jacket said:

you notice android only has 68 posts, yet he's already managed to insult all the glock owners on here by inferring they're lazy and stupid...

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I'm sorry to indirectly insult Glock onwers.

I do on rare occasions grab an Egg McMuffin myself. But I don't delude myself into believing it is fine dining just because there's thirty people in the drive thru. And if I weren't so lazy, I would have woken up 30 minutes earlier and made myself breakfast at home.

So, to correct my comparison, you're only stupid if you think you're getting a healthy nutritious meal based solely on popularity and price. As long as you understand you are cutting corners and do so deliberately, then you are certainly free to make that decision.

I always look for the cheapest and most popular eye surgeon, parachutes and rock climbing equipment also. The extra cost is just marketing and fan boy hype, right?

As to the HK photo, I'm certain that HKs are quite reliable in the hands of anyone except a commercial layout photographer. You still haven't posted a real photo of a real wedged up misfeed, just the well worn, very old cover of some marketing material that is dragged out whenever somebody wants to be cute.

REAPER4206969 said:

1)RTF3 frame texture.

2)SF grip and standard/large grip add on panels.

3)Enlarged, reversible mag catch.

4)Duel captured recoil spring assembly.

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5) Ability to chamber multiple rounds at the same time. ( not quite perfected )

Really why must this keep going on.
http://www.theprepared.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=90

Scroll down. The USP didn't make it. Enough said.

I always look for the cheapest and most popular

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Glock's are used by almost every elite military and police unit in the world. They can have any handgun they want and they choose Glock.

So what do you shoot, Android? I bet whatever it is, in a few short minutes I can have a picture of it malfunctioning and a "story" about how my cousin Billy-Jack JoBob is the bestest shooter in the world and look what happened to his gun so all guns from this manufacturer must be junk.

REAPER4206969 said:

Glock's are used by almost every elite military and police unit in the world. They can have any handgun they want and they choose Glock.

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Dude, government contracts go to the lowest bidder that meets the minimum requirements.

If you want to carry a Glock, go ahead. But stand on your own two feet and justify your choice based on the merits of the product, not because everybody else is doing it.

Honestly, I think Glock makes a reasonably good pistol, but when they have a brand new generation of pistols jamming up with misfeeds out of the chute, you guys got to expect some razzing.

Did you not read this thread? Every Glock fanboy here is busting Glock's balls for this GEN 4 abortion.

StrikeFire83 said:

So what do you shoot, Android? I bet whatever it is, in a few short minutes I can have a picture of it malfunctioning and a "story" about how my cousin Billy-Jack JoBob is the bestest shooter in the world and look what happened to his gun so all guns from this manufacturer must be junk.

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I've got a couple of P2000SKs, one in 9mm and one in .40S&W. I also have a P30 for the range. I'm left handed. I chose these pistols because they are completely ambidextrous. I also practice shooting right handed with a weak grip attempting to get a misfeed due to limp wristing. It just won't happen. If you claim to carry a pistol for defense and you can't work it with either hand, then what will you do when something goes wrong?

I've put about 5000 rounds through these guns with not a single failure, not even when new.

I also have a Makarov, a Browning Hi Power and a S&W 1917 Revolver. The Browing is not reliable at all and I would never count on it. It stovepipes every few mags. That's fine, it's old and just for show.

I haven't had the Mak all that long, but I had one FTF in about 500 rounds. I'm pretty sure that was due to cheap Monarch ammo.

The revolver always fires, just shoots a few inches right of POA. What do you expect, it's as old as my grandmother.

I also have a P22 and it's had a few malfunctions but mostly works well now that it's broken in.

So, out of everything I own, the HK's have been 100% reliable. No, I don't bury them in mud. Sorry, not part of my operation envelope.

Hey Android, I thought H&K's were only for newbs or "real operators" which are you?

Pistol design as to fine cuisine is a pretty funny but irrelevent metaphor... H&K's have crappy triggers, or, they're like an expertly grilled ribeye that cost $50 (though the resturant paid maybe $10) that's unedible as it's fallen in the gutter.

StrikeFire83 said:

1911 crap out reports are coming in.

My cousin Billy-Jack had got this purdy 1911 and he only used the finest ammo and look what happened. 1911s are junk!

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Not really a fair comparison as 1911's are made by dozens (maybe hundreds) of different manufacturers with a plethora of after market parts. There is not a real baseline for quality and reliability.

Glock are made by Glock alone. If they're messed up, there's only one company to point the finger at.

^Look above, fella. HKs are junk that blow up at the drop of a hat, my cousin Billy Bob told me so. I have the picture to prove it.

Are Hks made by one company?

ckone said:

Hey Android, I thought H&K's were only for newbs or "real operators" which are you?

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Neither. I considered all the options and selected the P2000SK's based on my needs after trying Sigs, Glocks, HKs, and Kimbers. I made my choice based on the functionality I wanted.

I didn't make my choice based on popularity and price which appears to be the most quoted reason for buying a Glock. All the Police use them, you should too. You can buy two Glocks for the price of one of those. Yeah, a lot of police drive Crown Victorias too, but I don't see you in those.

And there's nothing wrong with the triggers. Trigger feel and pull are different on a lot of different pistols even from the same mfg. Anybody that is competent can adjust in few shots.

But Android, what about my picture? And the range report from my cousin Billy-Bob?

The reports are streaming in. Run to the hills. The sky is falling. They all explode. Every time. Boom Boom.

The jamming problem with the Gen4s is pretty clearly explained in the link to the Glock forum as "just shooting" the gun and it's jamming sometimes for some of the shooters and works most of the time or all of the time for the owner and a report that Glock support says that many owners are experiencing the same problem.

Do you think it's OK that a firearm be that finicky in its operation?

Do you think a photo with no explanation is comparable to a photo along with a complete and detailed account of what happened?

So the H&K trigger reset must be 3 times as long as Glock's because they're 3 times better... I get it now.

I've only owned 5 H&K's but mine must've been the only lemon ones they've ever put out since I much prefer either a Glock or even better maybe a trigger-dialed M&P... Guess I like having a place to put my support hand thumb since I figured out a while ago that a good shooting grip is more important than the brand of gun anyhow (too bad a P2000 or P30 makes you alter your grip because of their unfriendly grip ergonomics which make you put your thumb on the rail).

Somebody should tell Dave Sevigny that his gun sucks and he wouldn't suck so bad if he got an H&K.