Physician will not fill out medical history form for CCP

Apply for a Florida out-of-state permit and avoid this BS altogether. We have reciprocity with LA, last time I checked.

Actually,he is.

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For the love of god, why are you going to a state-employed doctor?

Being employed by the state or federal government is irrelevant. A physician is not under any legal obligation to initiate any kind of medical treatment to any patient- period. However, once they start, they must continue. Who employs them is irrelevant. Worst care scenario, they get fired. In reality, that's not gonna happen. Not over you being denied a form being filled out for your CCW. Sorry, I sympathize with you but that's just the way it is.
Still, it remains to be answered: Was this doctor the very doctor that treated you initially?

As far as being "pumped full of all kinds of crap", did you ever say that you'd prefer to try something that didn't involve medication? Did you ask about alternatives? Did you use the school's tutoring services?

So, it sounds like you were treated for ADHD or something similar because of your "loss of concentration". Treatment means taking either amphetamine-based or methylphenidate-based drugs. If you don't take the meds, then you suffer from loss of concentration. Sounds like you're screwed either way.

Alternatively, and I'm not condoning this, you may want to try re-applying in a different state that is recognized by La., and just omitting this information.

You had him give you an examination, and paid for his services as required to be authorized to get a permit required by the state. It's no different than an exam for flight rediness. He's not holding up his end of the business agreement.

Call his office manager and tell them on simple terms "The prupose of the visit was XXXXX, I met the criteria and I need his signature to complete the state required paperwork. I'l be by tomorrow at XX O'clock to pick it up."

If they won't comply they are in violation of contract. Not that a $75 (or so) doctor visit is worth fighting over, but I would as best I could, just on the principle.
Maybe call the local TV station and set up a picket for a couple days. That ought to get his attention and his signature.

Florida CCW eligibility questionaire here:

http://app1.licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/firearms/prequal_questions.aspx

Forget LA; just get your Florida out-of-state permit and avoid this crap.

A physician is not under any legal obligation

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Key word here is legal obligation. He still (ostensibly) has an employment obligation if he's refusing to sign a form issued by his employer (the state).

> The House passed HB 60? last week. It requires residents to have resident permits.

Sorry, first I heard about that. Guess you're screwed. Does LA have open carry?

Apply for a Florida out-of-state permit and avoid this BS altogether. We have reciprocity with LA, last time I checked.

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you may want to try re-applying in a different state that is recognized by La., and just omitting this information.

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A bill (HB60) is up this legislative session that does away with honoring a permit from another state for residents of LA. That is, a resident of LA will be required to have a LA permit.

http://www.legis.state.la.us/billdata/streamdocument.asp?did=704789

However, reciprocity between states is not affected.

gearchecker said:

You had him give you an examination, and paid for his services as required to be authorized to get a permit required by the state. It's no different than an exam for flight rediness. He's not holding up his end of the business agreement.

Call his office manager and tell them on simple terms "The prupose of the visit was XXXXX, I met the criteria and I need his signature to complete the state required paperwork. I'l be by tomorrow at XX O'clock to pick it up."

If they won't comply they are in violation of contract. Not that a $75 (or so) doctor visit is worth fighting over, but I would as best I could, just on the principle.
Maybe call the local TV station and set up a picket for a couple days. That ought to get his attention and his signature.

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You had him give you an examination, and paid for his services as required to be authorized to get a permit required by the state. It's no different than an exam for flight rediness. He's not holding up his end of the business agreement.

There's no "agreement", if the physician doesn't want to do it, he doesn't have to.

Call his office manager and tell them on simple terms "The prupose of the visit was XXXXX, I met the criteria and I need his signature to complete the state required paperwork. I'l be by tomorrow at XX O'clock to pick it up."

Pointless, will accomplish nothing.

If they won't comply they are in violation of contract. Not that a $75 (or so) doctor visit is worth fighting over, but I would as best I could, just on the principle.
Maybe call the local TV station and set up a picket for a couple days. That ought to get his attention and his signature.

The TV station won't care because this isn't newsworthy and there's no "contract".

I take it this guy is in Monroe, correct? Name him, I'd like to know whom to avoid. Thanks

General Geoff said:

Key word here is legal obligation. He still (ostensibly) has an employment obligation if he's refusing to sign a form issued by his employer (the state).

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Technically true...but the employers, whether they be the state or private hopspital or clinic, won't do anything about this. This is super duper chump change. You think they're gonna fire a doc who brings in hundreds of thousands in revenue annually b/c some college kid with ADHD is complaining that the doc won't fill out his form so he can carry a concealed firearm? Get real. Right or wrong, I'm just stating the reality of the situation. Furthermore, especially if this is not the original treating physician, no employer is going to hold this action against the doctor either. Society is too litigious to encourage a physician to give de facto permission for a mental health patient to carry a concealed weapon.

Warhawk83 said:

Ed, if i get the FL permit before August it is valid until August of 2011.

For the record, I haven't taken any meds for 3 months with no ill effects. The doctor wanted to release me OUTRIGHT until I asked him to fill out the form.Now he says I should continue to be counseled for a couple more months without meds...

Indoctrination attempt?

For a little more background: When I was having trouble concentrating, I was taking 5 college classes, had major back surgery 4 months prior and was taking care of a 2 and a 3 yr old boy. You try frickin concentrating doing that....


We do have open carry and I do sometimes but I don't like the attention that it brings. Plus my OC gun is a Beretta 92FS and it gets kinda heavy to lug around. I have back and ankle problems.

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You have back and ankle problems that are aggravated by a 34oz handgun? Do you really think they'll be alleviated any by carrying a lighter pistol?

"For a little more background: When I was having trouble concentrating, I was taking 5 college classes, had major back surgery 4 months prior and was taking care of a 2 and a 3 yr old boy. You try frickin concentrating doing that...."

But you were the one who went to the doctor for drugs, right?
I guess the epidemic of not taking responsibility for our actions also extends to 2A proponents as well...

i think the law is stupid. but until it gets changed your pretty much SOL.

No doctor is going to sign a form like that the first time you go to see them, they are going to tell you that the Dr that has been treating you needs to fill out the form.

Trying to threaten your doctor is not going to work. he has no obligation to do anything like this, and in fact if you get upset at him, start yelling about how he is violating your rights, and you need to carry a gun, etc. to someone who already thinks its dangerous to do so, and you're likely to find yourself involuntarily committed to the hospital for a psych evaluation

Alabama - back off a little bit. You're not in Warhawk's shoes. People do what they think is necessary to fix the problem at hand at the particular point in time, and sometimes it comes back to bite 'em in the ass.

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Alabama - back off a little bit. You're not in Warhawk's shoes. People do what they think is necessary to fix the problem at hand at the particular point in time, and sometimes it comes back to bite 'em in the ass.

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No, I think I'll stand my ground. I believe he'll just continue to make one excuse after another. It's easy for him to go to a public forum and make a generalized statement, but when pressed his story becomes increasingly hazy. Initially, it was presented as a case where an anti-2A doctor told him he wouldn't fill the form. Then we find out he answered "yes" to one of the questions on the CCW permit. Then we found out what for (more or less). Then there's the toddlers he's taking care of, his back problem, his ankle problem, his 5 college classes. Honestly? I don't think he needs a CCW either.

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Nola, I know I can't force him to do anything. Also,I'm not an uproarious person and in no way need to be involuntarily committed.

Alabama2010:

I have an IWB holster and a Glock 27 I carry around the house with no problems whatsoever. Having the Beretta on my hip does bother me,open carry much? Try a big ass berretta. To the drug seeking comment, did you come by just to be an ******* or what?


As a side note,how many people do you think have EVER been prescribed anti depressants? They prescribe anti depressants for smoking cessation for God's sake. That is the question I had to answer yes to and the question shouldn't even be on the form. I think the voluntary/involuntary commission question pretty much covers crazy.

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Ahh, more information! So it wasn't ADHD meds you were prescribed, is that correct? It was anti-depressants- is that correct? Were you prescribed anti-depressants for smoking cessation or depression? If it was the former, which anti-depressant was prescribed?

Also, the Glock 27 is something like 14oz lighter...that 14 oz is really aggravating your back and ankle problems....really? Really?

Something just doesn't sound right....

I wasn't trying to say that you were. But when physicians commit someone, they call us to take them to the hospital, and I've seen what some doctors see as a "threat to themselves" and usually it is right on, but every once in a while I have someone goes unnecessarily, and I wouldn't want that to happen to someone.

A lot of people don't believe that they can be taken "against their will," and in Louisiana you might be surprised with what qualifies. ex. anyone who has any signs of intoxication can be taken to the hospital against their will if the med control physician at the hospital thinks it is necessary.

You can have nystagmus after 3 beers, and then if you trip on the curb, or stumble on your way home and the cops or someone else sees it, they might call us, I get there and after examining you have to call the hospital to clear it through them to let you go, and sometimes the doctor says no, and that they have to come in for him to examine them. then by law i have to take them to the hospital, by whatever means necessary. I have so many people that don't believe us when I say you have to go, and they try to fight, but I've yet to have anyone win.

Honestly? I don't think he needs a CCW either.

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I guess it's fortunate for many of us that your opinion of whether or not we "need" a CCW is of no consequence.


-Matt

then by law i have to take them to the hospital, by whatever means necessary. I have so many people that don't believe us when I say you have to go, and they try to fight, but I've yet to have anyone win.

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I guess it depends on your body weight and the state's definition of intoxicated as well as how quickly the beers were consumed.

I'm a big guy and I don't believe I'd be legally intoxicated after three beers. If you tried to take me to the hospital against my will, (or anywhere else for that matter), that would fall under the category of false arrest. If I remember correctly, (in Texas), that's one of the things that justifies my use of my concealed weapon!


-Matt