Physician will not fill out medical history form for CCP

[NOLAEMT]

Perhaps wait a little while and then go back, and very nicely explain why you would like to have a CCW Permit, focus on the practical aspects, instead of just " i need it to protect myself" say how it would help you carry a smaller gun, to help go to and from the range where you shoot bullseye. etc. and tell him that it is not permission from him, but just that you are medically cleared to shoot and carry a gun.

Despite what many people on the interwebs believe, you have to be extremely bright to complete medical school, so he should listen to a logical argument. Or you can start seeing another doctor, and see him for a while, a couple months, and then bring in the form for him to sign. if he's been seeing you, and has a good understanding of your medical history, and your mental status, he might be inclined to fill out the form.

in the mean time, write to your politicians and ask them to repeal that part of the ccw laws. they are unnecessary and silly.

for what its worth I've yet to hear anything that would make me think that you couldn't ccw. If you were sitting behind me at dinner i wouldn't feel at all uneasy.

 

[Warhawk83]

Thank you for that NOLA.
I will be writing my representatives,I haven't researched anywhere but FL but I know that prescription question does not appear on their application.

I did explain the practical aspect, and the fact that it wasn't permission, he wasn't the deciding factor, etc,etc. He said it made him feel uncomfortable even though I wasn't a danger to anyone and he knew my firearms background. I think he is doing this from an imagined liability standpoint even though he wouldn't have any and he just won't admit to it.

 

[NOLAEMT]

I guess it depends on your body weight and the state's definition of intoxicated as well as how quickly the beers were consumed.

I'm a big guy and I don't believe I'd be legally intoxicated after three beers. If you tried to take me to the hospital against my will, (or anywhere else for that matter), that would fall under the category of false arrest. If I remember correctly, (in Texas), that's one of the things that justifies my use of my concealed weapon!

Well, like you said it depends on your size, etc. but legal intoxication in a medical sense is much less than the .08 for you to be arrested for DWI. We also don't take anyone who is intoxicated to the hospital, but it is ultimately the decision of the doctor I work under at the hospital, he is not on scene, so we communicate via radio, and they air on the side of caution, as they don't want someone to go who is really in need of treatment, but doesn't know it due to alcohol.

but like I said, if you have any clinical signs of intoxication (nystagmus, slurred speech, staggered gate, scent of alcohol on breath, etc) the doctor can decide that you have to go, its not arrest, as we are not police officers, and in Louisiana law you forfeit your right to refuse medical care when you take a drink, so legally you don't have a leg to stand on. but if you do draw on emergency personnel, I can promise you, at the very least you will go to jail for a very long time, but more likely you will be killed on the spot by police. they are very protective of EMS, and come to our calls to help keep us safe.

 

[Alabama2010]

Based on what?
1. To need a medical release I would have to have a medical problem...no haze involved.
2. How are my kids relevant to my ccw qualification when the doctor doesn't have a problem with me owning firearms, shooting firearms, and open carrying on a regular basis?
3. My physical problems do not inhibit my ability to shoot. 25 yard bullseye with a compact glock pretty much blows that one out of the water.
4. I'm a senior in college,have a problem with college in general or what?
5. You don't determine whether I am qualified,my physician does, he says I am but won't fill out the form.

and YES he is my original treating physician, I think you need counseling for your narcissistic tendencies.

The liability isn't imagined as you state- it's very real.

Additionally, all this other stuff about your kids, and your ankle, your back, your classes, etc....this is all stuff you brought up. YOU initially gave a hazy account and backrground info. Consequently, if you're so physically weak/injured that a Beretta 92FS is hurting you when you open carry, then you may want to reconsider getting a CCW. Despite the 14 ounce difference between your open carry piece and concealed carry piece, one has to question if the lighter concealed piece will eventually aggravate your admitted back and akle problems as well. Additionally, there is a provision in the CCW law of La that precludes someone with physical ailments from obtaining a CCW ("Are you suffering from any mental or physical infirmity due to disease, illness, or retardation, which could prevent the safe handling of a handgun?). YOU brought up your ankle and back. Now it's easily seen as a point of question as to your fitness for a CCW.

Finally, you've given up a couple of different answers...so how about one final and complete answer. Did he say that he was not going to fill out and sign that form, or did he say to wait a couple of more months?

 

[Alabama2010]

I guess it depends on your body weight and the state's definition of intoxicated as well as how quickly the beers were consumed.

I'm a big guy and I don't believe I'd be legally intoxicated after three beers. If you tried to take me to the hospital against my will, (or anywhere else for that matter), that would fall under the category of false arrest. If I remember correctly, (in Texas), that's one of the things that justifies my use of my concealed weapon!


-Matt

Oh boy, you're just asking for trouble. Here's how it breaks down- if you've admittedly consumed any amount of alcohol and the soon-to-be arresting officer merely thinks your behaviors and mannerisms are suggestive of intoxication...guess what? You are. Irrespective of what the breathalyzer says. You may be able to fight that in court, but the decision to arrest you takes place well before and if you're a Mr. Tough Guy who's gonna pull a gun on a cop because you "know you're in the right"...well, I hope you have your affairs in order.

 

[NOLAEMT]

Oh boy, you're just asking for trouble. Here's how it breaks down- if you've admittedly consumed any amount of alcohol and the soon-to-be arresting officer merely thinks your behaviors and mannerisms are suggestive of intoxication...guess what? You are. Irrespective of what the breathalyzer says. You may be able to fight that in court, but the decision to arrest you takes place well before and if you're a Mr. Tough Guy who's gonna pull a gun on a cop because you "know you're in the right"...well, I hope you have your affairs in order.

I try to stay out of trouble, but it sometimes it seems like it finds me anyways...

what I was referring to was for a medical context, that has nothing to do with whether the police can arrest you for intoxication. it is not meant to be punitive, but rather to make sure you are able to make informed medical decisions, and not decide to refuse care when you are intoxicated. For medical purposes you don't even have to admit to drinking, if you have the signs of intoxication you're taking a ride if the Dr says so. people try the "i haven't had anything to drink...ever" thing all the time, and they all go to the hospital, because if you haven't been drinking then there is something else causing those signs and symptoms.

Like I said, I've had literally hundreds of intoxicated patients that don't want to go to the hospital. Sometimes the doctor says they can go home (usually we get them to call a sober friend who agree to take care of them). but sometimes the doctor wants to see them, and I have never had a patient successfully fight to the point where they didn't go.

Most understand and go willingly after being explained the situation, but some fight. I had a man almost break the nose of my partner a couple months ago, she is about 5'1" and 88 lbs. Needless to say he was asking to go to the hospital after about a can and a half of mace courtesy of the NOPD. we took him, but this time in handcuffs.

 

[Alabama2010]

Folks, being granted the ability to carry a concealed weapon is a privilege. Unfortunately, not everyone is either worthy or meets certain universally agreed upon criteria. Not everyone should be allowed to carry a concealed weapon.
It's true mental illness is no crime, but I don't see people protesting the government to allow paranoid schizophrenics the right to carry a concealed weapon- let alone own them. The OP, whom I will venture to guess is not personally known by anyone who's posted on this thread, was medically treated for mental health issues recently. With two drugs no less- one an amphetamine, derivative thereof, or a similarly structured analog, and the other an SSRI (it's extremely unlikely he'd be given a TCA). This treatment was given under the direction of a licensed physician.
This guy could potentially be mentally unstable or physically inable to be a safe and responsible carrier of a concealed weapon. I'm not saying he is or isn't. But I won't just fire off a line about how he should go to the Board of Medicine and complain or do this or that. Not without knowing all the information, and we've only been given bits of information here and there from the beginning of this thread.
Most states allow CCW finally, and the situation is improving nationwide. But this is a recent trend. There was a time, not long ago, that the opposite was true.
The OP has more to worry about than not being able to CCW. Until he gets this medical problem taken care of, he can't buy a new gun...

 

[Samgotit]

2010, Are you a student or a physician?

 

[Alabama2010]

2010, Are you a student or a physician?

Physician.

 

[NOLAEMT]

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[The Lone Haranguer]

Post withdrawn.

 

[Alabama2010]

Do you know that they allow people to be police officers, pilots, doctors, EMT's, firefighters, and probably a hundred other occupations and be on SSRI's? Actually doctors have a much higher than average rate of depression and stress disorders that require treatment with antidepressants. so the next time you or someone you know has surgery there is a very good chance that the surgeon will be on these medications?

Depression, anxiety, or ADHD does not make someone unstable or crazy. In fact approximately 20% of people will have an episode of clinical depression in their lifetime.

He never asked for your opinion on whether or not you thought he should carry a weapon. He wrote to express his frustration over the choice of a doctor who admits to being very anti-gun, his feelings on this obviously silly law, and perhaps to get some advice from the people who post here.

By posting on a public forum, he's inviting my opinion. I apologize if my opinion doesn't mirror yours and/or anyone else's. I do know that pilots, doctor's, and many other professions allow individuals to work in their field while taking SSRI's. Again, this is irrelevant. The OP is the issue here. This person with physical, social, and mental health problems, wants his physician (the original treating physician who actually knows this person's medical history) to approve him for a CCW. His physician didn't think this was a good idea. We were led to believe that it was because the doc was anti-2A. Then we were told the doc asked him to follow up in a few months. The OP's statements are incongruous, and I think the physician made the right choice. Now, if in a few months he returns and is cleared by the doc and is still refused...well, let's wait and see what happens.

 

[NOLAEMT]

My problem with it is that he can still own guns, and still carry them openly, but this doctor is preventing him from concealing one. He isn't doing anyone a favor, not the OP, not society, no one.

you even said that you don't know his medical history but you feel comfortable in telling him he can't carry?

and yes I disagree. the 2nd amendment, and CCW is not a privilege, it is a right. Just because someone has taken away one of your rights does not make it a privilege.

He also said he was cleared by his doctor, until he brought up the issues of CCW, and then the doctor asked him to come back. don't you think it is possible that the doctor thinks that he is unstable simply for wanting a CCW permit? I know several people who have told me they think i am paranoid and should see a doctor because I CCW.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

Physician.

that explains a lot and i am again reminded why i have a multi tiered pricing system for work

 

[Alabama2010]

"My problem with it is that he can still own guns, and still carry them openly, but this doctor is preventing him from concealing one."
That's a legal matter. What the law allows or prohibits seldom makes sense.

"He isn't doing anyone a favor, not the OP, not society, no one."
Unless he prevented the OP from harming himself or another because the OP lacks the concentration skills necessary to handle a firearm...but yeah, that aside, not helpful at all.

"you even said that you don't know his medical history but you feel comfortable in telling him he can't carry?"
I agreed with the doctor. If given spotty information by an admitted mental health patient with back and ankle pain aggravated by OC'ing a Beretta 92FS but not aggravated by a Glock 27 concealed vs. a licensed physician...sorry NOLA, I'm going with the doc. Just like if I was given spotty info by an accused criminal vs. a cop. I'm going with the cop.

"and yes I disagree. the 2nd amendment, and CCW is not a privilege, it is a right. Just because someone has taken away one of your rights does not make it a privilege. "
Sorry, the 2A and CCW are two separate things- and CCW is not a right as the OP has plainly experienced.

"He also said he was cleared by his doctor, until he brought up the issues of CCW, and then the doctor asked him to come back. don't you think it is possible that the doctor thinks that he is unstable simply for wanting a CCW permit?"
The reason is irrelevant if this physician thinks he's unstable, then he's not getting his CCW- why are you giving me flak for what his doc has done?

"I know several people who have told me they think i am paranoid and should see a doctor because I CCW."
Are any of them physicians?

 

[leadcounsel]

Dump him as a doctor, and tell him so and the reason why. He has failed to put his professional responsibility above his politics. I would question his medical judgement; would he TREAT you to the best of his ability if he knew you were pro2A?

I would tell him that you are also filing a complaint against him, and telling your family and friends of his unprofessional conduct.

 

[Alabama2010]

Dump him as a doctor, and tell him so and the reason why. He has failed to put his professional responsibility above his politics. I would question his medical judgement; would he TREAT you to the best of his ability if he knew you were pro2A?

I would tell him that you are also filing a complaint against him, and telling your family and friends of his unprofessional conduct.

Well within the OP's rights...but the OP needs to concern himself with something another poster to this thread brought up, and that's how dumping his doc will look to the next doc. It needs to be done tactfully. Personally, I'd use a lawyer and have him handle it but the OP doesn't seem to be able to use the services of a lawyer. But before he changes docs, he may want to wait out the few months the doc asked of him. If not, it may be viewed as non-compliance.

Either way, he needs to get it taken care of or he won't be able to purchase firearms from an FFL let alone CCW.

 

[MattTheHat]

Oh boy, you're just asking for trouble. Here's how it breaks down- if you've admittedly consumed any amount of alcohol and the soon-to-be arresting officer merely thinks your behaviors and mannerisms are suggestive of intoxication...guess what? You are. Irrespective of what the breathalyzer says. You may be able to fight that in court, but the decision to arrest you takes place well before and if you're a Mr. Tough Guy who's gonna pull a gun on a cop because you "know you're in the right"...well, I hope you have your affairs in order.

I'm not sure where the "Mr. Tough Guy" comment is coming from. I merely stated the fact that under Texas law, fighting unlawful arrest is a legitimate reason to draw and use my concealed weapon.

However, I will readily admit that whether the false arrest is for supposed intoxication or anything else, I can't imagine it turning out well.


-Matt

 

[Warhawk83]

1. I do NOT believe you are a doctor.
2. If you are,you got the license in Tijuana.
3. I NEVER took an amphetamine based drug.
4. I'm not taking ANY medication and haven't for 3 months now.
5. The doctor does NOT think I am unstable.
6. He wants me to go to counseling now that I want to ccw.
7. He has PLAINLY stated he won't fill out the form.
8. He could fill it out and make sure they wouldn't approve me.
9. Concentrating on 5 classes,studying,etc... is a bit different than fine motor skills.

If you were a doctor you would be able to understand why carrying a 3 pound gun with a 16 rd mag would get aggravating. You are aware that people with NO physical problem complain about carrying guns that heavy,right?

My physical problems do not inhibit my ability to fire a weapon, I can't stand and plink for more than a couple of hours....that's about it.

There is absolutely NO way you are a doctor. I question whether you are of age to purchase a handgun from an FFL period. You are the one that keeps changing what you say is wrong with me.

Now I have social problems as well?

So, are you a pharm tech, a phlebotemist, CNA? Maybe? Or do you just watch all the medical shows on TLC?

 

[Warhawk83]

O believe me, I have dealt with plenty of them to know the percentage of *******s in the profession is quite high.

I just don't believe he is one of them, doctor that is, heh. He seems like he has perused WebMD, watched some TLC, and is completely Narcissistic. Which I'm sure there is a high percentage of that in the profession as well.

He keeps changing my diagnosis,telling people what meds I'm taking without me having said so. He was also WRONG.

Now he says I'm unstable, have social problems,and I can't possibly safely handle a firearm because I can't concentrate on it well enough. Because I needed help studying.... mmmmkay.

 

[rbernie]

Enough bickering. This thread is frankly not doing anyone any good.

I believe that Warhawk83 needs legal advice, and that ain't gonna happen on an Internet forum. I am sympathetic as heck, but I also know that nothing that is said here will help the issue.