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Physician will not fill out medical history form for CCP

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Warhawk83, May 10, 2010.

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  1. Warhawk83

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    He listened to me, agreed that he had no objection to me owning a gun or having a permit. Then said no, he would not fill it out.

    I was baffled by this and asked what the deal was and he said it made him uncomfortable. Reason being he said that he didn't fill out anything but work releases and tried to keep work and politics separate.

    Not sure how that is political.....

    I asked " Are you anti-gun?"
    Response: " Very much so "

    Apparently that is how it's political.

    Should I call the state board on this guy or what?
     
  2. oneounceload

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    Why not go and find another doctor?
     
  3. General Geoff

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    Find another doctor and tell all your friends to spread the word about his pro-tyranny tendencies.
     
  4. Leanwolf

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    You need to find a new doctor who is not a far left Neo-Lib Progressive.

    L.W.
     
  5. Warhawk83

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    Mainly because I'm broke at the moment. I will find another doctor, he has made it clear that it ain't gonna happen through him.

    I just wonder if it is in fact legal for a doctor to refuse to fill out a state form.
     
  6. General Geoff

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    The doctor is not employed by the state; I see no reason why he would be compelled to fill out any forms whatsoever.
     
  7. rattletrap1970

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    Maybe his point was to show that he didn't believe in giving out or divulging any kind of your medical background to anyone. That's just the way it seemed to me.
     
  8. Yo Mama

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    WAIT! You need a doctors note in your state to have a CCW? Are you fricking kidding me? What's next a note from your mom also?

    Sorry, but never heard of this nonsensical requirement.
     
  9. rattletrap1970

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    Not here in Connecticut. They can't even ask for letters of recommendation anymore.
     
  10. Samgotit

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    No, you do not.

    Only if you answer yes to certain questions on the application.
     
  11. armoredman

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    Tell your doctor he's fired. Find a pro 2A doc in your area that fits your needs. Hire him, go on from there.
     
  12. jfdavis58

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    I've done 10 minutes of research into Louisiana Concealed Carry. There are reasons, personal reasons, for an applicant to need a physicians statement. Other than that one should contact the OP.

    It's invasive but understandable. If the OP is/has recovered and his doctor refuses to provide the documentation, I'd suggest and wager that a lawyer might be the next course of action. Ugly expensive, but probably they only path.
     
  13. rattletrap1970

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    Well, then, in that case I wouldn't want to go to a doctor who was an avid anti gunner. I have to agree with armoredman. If more of these putz's lost their practice, maybe they wouldn't chime in with their anti-gun BS in medical publications and such.
     
  14. A and O

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    You most certainly did not pay for this, did you?
     
  15. ArtP

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    I firmly believe in 2A. I believe just as strongly with personal freedoms - even if I don't believe in the cause.

    Even though I don't believe in the doctor's reason for denial. I believe his personal freedom, trumps your demand that he write you a letter.

    I have issues with some peoples version of freedom. Freedom means freedom for all, not just freedom for causes we/you personally find valid. I'm not a homosexual, but if one is, I believe in their right to practice it. True freedom means "hands off" of other peoples freedoms as well.

    An interesting arguement is one where a party believes in the legalization of drugs for personal and recreational use, but wants to ban others from guns. The other side wants to enjoy the right to bare arms but wants to make recreational drug use illegal. Both sides have can argue that the others' use is a potential hazard to society, and in both instances it can be. But neither side wants to grant the other any freedom - in my opinion because they don't practice the opposite themselves. It's a selfish position.

    Drugs don't commit crimes and neither do guns.

    For the record, I don't even drink. I'm just using it as an example arguement to demonstrate how many think of themselves as for freedom, but really are not.

    Your doctor is exercising his freedom - let him, without judgment.

    There is no such thing as selective freedom. It's an oxymoron.
     
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  16. DCR

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    A note to the state board of medicine, or equivalent licensing body, may work wonders - there's got to be an ethical requirement to remain unbiased and not inject one's personal beliefs into their professional lives (unless your state has one of those idiotic "conscience" statutes for medical providers. If this doc was working out of a hospital or part of a clinic he doesn't own, send a letter to the hospital or clinic regarding your concerns about the doc's inability to separate his personal beliefs from his professional performance at their hospital or clinic. Either, or both, will cause him some discomfort, if anything in preparing a written response should the board of medicine or hospital HR ask him to respond.
     
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    I would report him to your state's board of professional responsibility, right after I found a new doctor and had him release your records to the new doc.
     
  18. Alabama2010

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    This is very intriguing... I was also puzzled about why you needed to see a physician for a CCW permit. What question did you answer "no" to? If it was a psych question, did you see a general practicioner or a psychiatrist? Your physician is under no legal obligation, and he had the right to not fill out your forms, and you're under no obligation to pay him for that visit either. This is very uncommon for a physician to do because of a political issue. He/she may refuse to give care, but once care is initiated they have to continue giving care until another provider can be found. This is why when docs "fire" a patient, they have to send a certified letter with the addendum that they'll continue care for x-number of days. I feel like there may be more to this story though. If you answered "no" to the typical listing of questions on a CCW permit form, the only relevant ones that would require you to get clearance from a doc would be the psych or drug/alcohol questions. I have to say, that if someone came to me for a medical clearance for a CCW, I would not give it- ever. Thought I'm an extremely staunch supporter of the 2A, I wouldn't risk the liability.
     
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    Report him to the state board and he turns right around and says he didn't do the form because he doesn't trust you with a gun and you're toast.
    Beside he can always hide behinds fear of litigation of you do something wrong.

    Get a new Doc

    AFS
     
  20. Alabama2010

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    Wrong- this doctor is under no legal or moral obligation to write this letter or fill any form on behalf of this person.
     
  21. WoofersInc

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    There is a Federal Privacy Law called HIPPA. It protects the release of someones medical records. I beleive that the CCW board asking for your medical records violates this law. Under federal guidlines they have no right to it, since it is not being used to further your medical care.

    This will get nothing done. We have all seen the threads about the AMA and Doctors asking about guns in the house. Where do you think this stuff comes from? It is the state boards making those suggestions to the higher ups. I know here in Nevada, the medical board doesn't repremand anybody, for anything. Heck, we had a Doc that got caught at 2 in the morning in a car with a hooker, wearing nothing but a dog collar, and in possession of a large amount of cocaine. He kept his medical liscense.
     
  22. DammitBoy

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    Maybe the doctor has a medical reason not to fill out the paperwork?
     
  23. Alabama2010

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    This isn't a HIPPA violation either. If the guy wants his CCW (which is not a right) then he needs to show medical clearance for one of the questions he checked on the permit application.
    No different than your kid's school asking for a medical clearance to play sports, etc.
     
  24. Alabama2010

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    There is a lot of judgement being passed without all the information. The OP needs to state what question he answered "yes" to.
    These are the possible reasons from the La CCW permit applic:
    13. Are you an unlawful user of or addicted to Marijuana, depressants, stimulants, or narcotic drugs?
    14. Have you ever been committed involuntarily, or voluntarily admitted to any treatment facility, institution, or hospital for
    the abuse of a controlled dangerous substance as defined in R.S. 40:961 and 964 or for the abuse of alcoholic beverages?
    15. Have you ever been adjudicated mentally deficient or been committed to a mental institution?
    16. Have you ever been hospitalized for any form of mental illness or infirmity?
    17. Have you ever received medical treatment for a mental disorder of any kind by a licensed medical practitioner?
    18. Are you currently taking, or have you ever been prescribed any medication used for the treatment of depression, psychosis
    or any mental illness?
    19. Are you suffering from any mental or physical infirmity due to disease, illness, or retardation, which could prevent the safe handling of a handgun?

    So, if the OP answered yes to any of these, he needs medical clearance. Why didn't he go back to the original physician and obtain documentation that he no longer suffers from any malady that would prevent him from CCW? The truth of the matter is, no physician worth his salt would sign this unless they themselves treated him and knew the patient well. Maybe some things like a handicap tag application, but not a CCW.
    What if the doctor, without knowing this patient's history or having any treatment records, signed this form? Afterwards, the guy carries a concealed weapon and in a moment of anger or despair ends up pulling it and killing a bunch of people?
    You folks would be writing things like, "That doctor is an idiot and is hurting our cause". Too many of you too easily cast judgment.
     
  25. Warhawk83

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    Actually,he is.

    Well that is what he did.


    By the way, I couldn't concentrate in my college classes. So I was given medication for it, BUT because I'm disabled and BROKE I had to use state care which requires "counseling" as well.

    My advice to anyone who can't concentrate in school, figure out ANYTHING but talking to a doctor.They will pump you full of all kinds of crap which ends up creating problems with things such as this.

    To reiterate:
     
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