IL gun owner list to possibly be made public

Didn't this happen in Tennessee recently where a list of CCW holders was published in a newspaper?

If I were a criminal, these would be the LAST houses I would target. Don't get me wrong, I think it's a horrible idea to release this information, but I think it's an even worse idea to break into a home when you KNOW the resident is armed

Releasing the FOID list is just a way for the Illinois government to have gun owners stripped of their guns or thrown in jail for defending their property. Its a thugs one stop shopping list.

If I were a criminal, these would be the LAST houses I would target.

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That would be great, but most break-ins are while no one is home.

Well, while I am not complacent, here in Texas, we'd have to have implementation of a FOID in the first place.

While I'm sure at least one of the pusillanimous poltroons who infect Austin for 1412 days every other year have thought to introduce such a thing; most are aware enough to realize it would be as pointless as requiring pigs to taught to fly.

(The entrances to the Capitol have an "express lane" for CHL holders being a rather constant reminder to the 'less aware' politicos too.)

All of which makes me weep for IL, NJ, CA and the like--and frustrates me for having so little to offer to help in those places. That, and we have rather a lot on our plate in dealing with the mendacity being presently hurled about over the de-regulation of campus buildings for CHL carry.

On the bright side, if the list is released, gun rights groups would have an instant direct mail list. Illinois Citizens Defense League or similar groups should use such a list to form stronger State Gun rights groups to fight bad legislation.

That would mean the list is going to contain the names of all of the judges and LEO's who have guns in IL as well..............correct??

In Iowa, just open any phone book and pick a name, Most anybody is eligable to own a gun if they choose to do so.

Just wanted to throw out that a FOID card holder is not necessarily a gun owner. Yes, you need a FOID to buy a gun and ammo in Illinois, but also to handle a gun at the range or wherever. I have friends with FOID's who have one so they can go out and shoot with me, and buy ammo to shoot.

The entire FOID card thing really annoys me. To me it's like paying the government a fee of $10 every 5 years, so you can maintain your freedom of religion. I don't understand how it hasn't been stricken down yet.

Where does the assumption come from that ADDRESSES will be included with these names?

Birdmang said:

Where does the assumption come from that ADDRESSES will be included with these names?

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The AG specified that addresses and phone numbers would remain confidential, but Google makes it super easy to find anyone's address, with their name and city/state.

I disagree with this list being made public, but you could not find my address with my name, city and state.

I'm not even listed on spokeo which is one of the scariest information sites out there.

The fact of the matter is that it shouldn't be made public because of basic privacy, but if it is made public you wont get burglarized the next day.

EDIT: I'm not a computer expert/hacker but could someone good at something like that find a forum poster with gun pictures and get their IP address, then get an address out of that? The difference being your government giving up the privacy and info vs. yourself giving it up by posting, which is completely different.

Texas is just gonna release the names of those who DON'T own a gun..... all 7 of them.

Birdmang said:

I disagree with this list being made public, but you could not find my address with my name, city and state.

I'm not even listed on spokeo which is one of the scariest information sites out there.

The fact of the matter is that it shouldn't be made public because of basic privacy, but if it is made public you wont get burglarized the next day.

EDIT: I'm not a computer expert/hacker but could someone good at something like that find a forum poster with gun pictures and get their IP address, then get an address out of that? The difference being your government giving up the privacy and info vs. yourself giving it up by posting, which is completely different.

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Unless you pay to keep your info private (I think that's how that works?), generally one's address is public information readily available on the internet.

One's possession of a FOID card currently is not. Release the FOID card info, and it wouldn't be hard for a thief to put them together.

I'm not a hacker either, but I'm thinking only your internet provider knows that your IP translates to your account, which is billed to your address.

As best I know, IP addresses don't divulge private information. They can be used with a warrant served to an ISP to force them to give authorities your address, however.

Seems to me its only equitable private details of this lady's life - and those of her supporters - be published as well.........Addresses, phone numbers, etc, ad infintum......>MW

"I am Spartacus"

Releasing the names of gun owners -- and even would-be gun owners -- is indeed an outrage.

Remember the scene at the end of the movie "Spartacus" when the Romans had rounded up the revolting gladiators/slaves, and demanded that Spartacus step forward and identify himself? Everybody stepped forward and claimed he was Spartacus!

If everybody in Illinois who cares about civil liberties applies for a FOID, whether they necessarily want a gun or not, then the information on the list would be essentially useless.

Maybe I am just ignorant, but are DMV records available to the public?

I thought that even under FOIA, due to privacy concerns (the privacy act of 1974?) only the person the record was about, or businesses with a direct interest (like insurance?) could access the information.

If that is the case, I would think that leans pretty heavily on the "don't make the list public." Of course laws vary from state to state, and I am pretty sure that both the privacy act, and FOIA are only directly applicable to federal level agencies, though many states have similar laws on the book.

It may somehow be along the lines of the info being kept by a public office and therefore public information? Perhaps the contents of Madigan's office and computers should be released as well. Vehicle ownership is public information, but they don't just give it away, you have to pay a fee for each vehicle info you want.

It's still pretty stupid though, there is no need or reason. Reason is something I rarely hear anything about when discussing IL politics though.

Stand fast ISP. Tell her to shove it. We are required to register, then they want to release that info to every hood rat and "misguided youth" in the state. Just another in a long line of moronic public officials in this state.

People WITH guns will be targeted for theft, and people WITHOUT guns will be at risk because they will now be known soft targets. No rhyme or reason for this AT ALL. Even if the names are released, it doesn't take rocket science to be able to piece together names and addresses just using the internet.

I have had my FOID card for over a year, but just purchased my first gun last month.

I keep reading that the point of getting the names released is to somehow verify that the FOID Act is being enforced. I don't see a news organization as being qualified for that type of review.

I sure as heck don't want my name displayed for the world to see - its no one's business if I have one gun, two thousand, or none at all, unless *I* tell them myself.

Calling my rep tomorrow.

Here's the deal. Her father, Michael Madigan, is the Illinois Speaker of the House and Chairman of the Illinois Democratic Party. He represents the 22nd district which is the southwest side of Chicago and he is one of the power brokers of the Illinois Democrat machine, and make no mistake about it, the machine runs this state. He is very powerful, very anti-gun, and another one of Mayor Daley's lap dogs. In case you haven't heard, Chicago runs this state via the power of the Democrat machine politics and the rest of us can just like it or lump it...

Tomorrow the Civil Law Committee will debate HB0007 which is a republican sponsored bill to make all FOID information private. His daughter's public announcement today was an attempted preemptive strike at that bill which I hope backfires on him and on her come election time...

It is Illinois politics at it's (normal) dirtiest...

http://ilga.gov/legislation/BillSta...1&DocTypeID=HB&LegId=54385&SessionID=84&GA=97

We need less $$$money$$$ applied to education and more education applied to education.

We now have generations who have never learned the Bill of Rights in school.

It would be interesting to see how many of the anti-gun politicians and media types are on that list. You know the double standard applies if you're rich enough, or powerful enough. That's why the list may never get published, lots of the power brokers in Chicago will be on it, and they won't let that happen.

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It would be interesting to see how many of the anti-gun politicians and media types are on that list. You know the double standard applies if you're rich enough, or powerful enough. That's why the list may never get published, lots of the power brokers in Chicago will be on it, and they won't let that happen.

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Rumor has it that whiney little Daley guy up in Chicago has an outstanding collection of 1911's....