Had a thought in another thread.
There's the "hunting gun" paradigm, and then there's the "military gun" one. While both trace their roots to the same weapons back 100 years ago, now they are somewhat separate. A modern military rifle has a large mag, a smaller cartridge, and other accessories than the hunting rifle.
Collapsible stock, box mag, shoots .223, lasers, red dot scopes, accessory rails, coated black; that's a military gun. Blued, integral mag, shoots 30-06 or better, scope, wood stocks, bolt action, that's a hunting gun.
However, I noticed something. The hunters, typically labeled Fudds, don't try anything 'tacticool' with their weapons because they don't want to do so. Sometimes a non-hunter who is more apt to target shoot and want a gun for home defense, will buy a hunting gun, restock it, put rails on, paint it black, and go "ghetto-tactical" with it, and generally receive much derision from the "tactical" crowd.
But, lots of times, the self-defense/range plinker will take his SKS or AK, or AR or something and desire to go hunting with it, where he will consider his military carbine shooting a much lighter round than actual hunting rifles to be equal or superior to those rifles, and that opinion then is accepted by many.
In other words, a hunting gun isn't durable enough to withstand military work, yet a military gun seems just dandy to kill stuff just as dead as a magnum rifle, and I don't understand why people think this way.
Perhaps it's ignorance. I've hunted my entire life, and I prefer weapons that don't make me chase the game all over hell's half acre to collect it. Even if you're the world's best tracker (I ain't), you still have to haul it back to the road. I've spent more time looking for others' game than mine, partially because I'm a fairly decent shot who only shoots what I can hit, but also because I shoot with some serious loads.
I consider .243 a kid's load to shoot deer, and .308 winchester the effective minimum. I prefer 30-06 myself. For turkey hunting, although I've used 2 and 3/4 shells, I really like the extra reach a 3.5" magnum gives (it takes you from 30 some yards to 50). That being said, going hunting, I'll grab my Rem 700 in 30-06, or my Mossberg 3.5" mag 12 gauge, and leave my AR and Benelli M4 at home. However, for self defense, I'd reverse that, or make yet a different selection.
Sorry to ramble, but the conflicting philosophies make me wonder. What do you all think?
There's the "hunting gun" paradigm, and then there's the "military gun" one. While both trace their roots to the same weapons back 100 years ago, now they are somewhat separate. A modern military rifle has a large mag, a smaller cartridge, and other accessories than the hunting rifle.
Collapsible stock, box mag, shoots .223, lasers, red dot scopes, accessory rails, coated black; that's a military gun. Blued, integral mag, shoots 30-06 or better, scope, wood stocks, bolt action, that's a hunting gun.
However, I noticed something. The hunters, typically labeled Fudds, don't try anything 'tacticool' with their weapons because they don't want to do so. Sometimes a non-hunter who is more apt to target shoot and want a gun for home defense, will buy a hunting gun, restock it, put rails on, paint it black, and go "ghetto-tactical" with it, and generally receive much derision from the "tactical" crowd.
But, lots of times, the self-defense/range plinker will take his SKS or AK, or AR or something and desire to go hunting with it, where he will consider his military carbine shooting a much lighter round than actual hunting rifles to be equal or superior to those rifles, and that opinion then is accepted by many.
In other words, a hunting gun isn't durable enough to withstand military work, yet a military gun seems just dandy to kill stuff just as dead as a magnum rifle, and I don't understand why people think this way.
Perhaps it's ignorance. I've hunted my entire life, and I prefer weapons that don't make me chase the game all over hell's half acre to collect it. Even if you're the world's best tracker (I ain't), you still have to haul it back to the road. I've spent more time looking for others' game than mine, partially because I'm a fairly decent shot who only shoots what I can hit, but also because I shoot with some serious loads.
I consider .243 a kid's load to shoot deer, and .308 winchester the effective minimum. I prefer 30-06 myself. For turkey hunting, although I've used 2 and 3/4 shells, I really like the extra reach a 3.5" magnum gives (it takes you from 30 some yards to 50). That being said, going hunting, I'll grab my Rem 700 in 30-06, or my Mossberg 3.5" mag 12 gauge, and leave my AR and Benelli M4 at home. However, for self defense, I'd reverse that, or make yet a different selection.
Sorry to ramble, but the conflicting philosophies make me wonder. What do you all think?