NYC arrests CCWing nurse from TN

I'm sure she will get a nice lenient plea recommendation from the DA. She will probably wind up with a 1 or 2 year deferred sentence, or something like that.

I'm sure she will get a nice lenient plea recommendation from the DA. She will probably wind up with a 1 or 2 year deferred sentence, or something like that.

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And a record, and she will give up the ability to ever own firearms. A conviction may also get her fired, and then not be able to pass a criminal background check to get rehired somewhere.

This is what jury nullification is all about ... if the jury is made aware of it, that is.
Let me also add that when one chooses to carry a weapon, along with that comes the responsibility of being aware of the law; and in this day and age there's no excuse to be uninformed. All one has to do is type "reciprocity" into a search engine and dozens of sites will come up with regard to handgun laws. I find myself wondering about the extent of her training and proficiency with a handgun after a blunder of this magnitude.

nyrifleman said:

Not really. I believe there are only a few thousand people (out of 12 million people in NYC) who have carry permits that are not current or former law enforcement. Most who do are VIPs. And include several prominent anti-gunners -- it's quite infuriating.

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I was referring to New York State (NYS), sorry for the confusion.

One would think that anyone who knows *anything* about firearm (unconstitutional) restrictions would know that NYC is probably the most blatant. If you are carrying in NYC, it is just not in your self interest to advertise that fact to law enforcement (or even the rent-a-cops). There have been cases where people were leaving NYC on a flight and they checked their firearms like they are supposed to do and they still got arrested by the jackbooted NYC police thugs. To minimize the chance for this when I was last up there, I disassembled my handgun prior to leaving and shipped it back home via UPS before leaving for the airport. There were a few places where they had metal detectors and were checking backpacks when you went into the buildings and for those places, I just did not go.

For the most part, her experience just proves that what the police don't know, can't hurt you...

Well, I keep a boycott list. Every year or so I revisit it to see if I still feel the same.

Some have come and gone, but NY, IL, CA, and purchasing BP gasoline, those will likely never change. And a shame, because BP has the cheapest gas here. But some things aren't worth selling out over. I don't sell out my country, my Constitution and the rights therein, nor my environment. And I certainly don't sell out to greedbag interests, which are behind each one of these boycotts.

A lot of folks forget it over time. But today when the news said that BP was still trying to get Halliburton (I don't like them either) to pay for the ENTIRE SPILL, I felt real good about not adding anything to their bottom line since the spill. Also, a lot of folks here feel the same way. Arco's are going out of business left and right, and they have the cheapest prices ALWAYS.

If folks stop going to NY and CA as a matter of course, they'll get the picture. They can only sustain that gigantic police apparatus to enforce all those laws they have and they can only sustain an economy based on technology with uneducated illegal workers for so long. Good luck.

gunowner63 said:

BikeMutt - IS the list public? I am curious how you know which anti-gunners have CWP's?

NOT trying t ocall you out and check your facts I am just curious to see if its posted somewhere that I can look at.

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gunowner63, I'm not sure I understand the question, I don't recall saying anything about anti-gunners and CWPs.

All I said was I believe it's possible for New York State residents to obtain carry permits. The question I was attempting to answer is "why even post signs" when ostensibly carry in New York City is difficult to impossible.

I was simply suggesting that perhaps the signs are posted there so that if and when upstate New Yorkers come to visit the World Trade Center site they would be made aware of the restriction.

So, are they so afraid that someone is going to hijack the memorial and force it to go to New Jersey or something? If so, then NYC construction standards sure have gone down since the Empire State and Chrysler buildings were built...

gunowner63 said:

BikeMutt - IS the list public? I am curious how you know which anti-gunners have CWP's?

NOT trying t ocall you out and check your facts I am just curious to see if its posted somewhere that I can look at.

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I was the one who mentioned it. In NY, the police have to tell you if a person has a pistol permit. You can't ask them "who in my neighborhood has a permit?", but you can ask "does Jack Smith have one?" Well, some time ago, I came across an article that listed NYC politicians and other VIPs that have unrestricted carry permits. Several of the ones listed were prominent anti-gunners. The biggest name I remember is Bloomberg. I don't want to quote any others, because I don't remember for certain anymore.

There is no doubt she should have researched the law. However, she didnt get caught during a crime. She asked authority for help. That fact should be considered. Our tn governor signed on with bloombergs gun control efforts so he will not likely beg the ny governor for her pardon. It would be a nice gesture to show the tn voters that he is not an anti gun rino elitist like many claim. Maybe we could post his number in the activism forum to solicit calls on her behalf.

I truly feel for this nurse.
She deserves better.

DA should show some discretion and let her off with a scolding, so long as she promises to never again exercise her 2nd Amendment Right in New York City.

I already knew about NY's stupid laws, it just didn't fully anger me until that moment.

gunowner63 said:

It's not how she got caught illegally carrying... It's that she was... Illegally carrying.

Still I wish her the best.

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The real issue is that the NY firearm laws are obviously unconstitutional since they violate the SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED clause of the 2nd Amendment.

So does the prohibition on felons owning guns and 5-year-olds owning handguns. Right? Shall not be infringed.

NYC has an out, it depends on what she is indicted on.

If she is indicted for criminal possession of a firearm, there is a mandatory minimum sentence of 3 years if she is convicted as well as a felony conviction on her record which would prohibit her from owning and possessing in the rest of the country. Not to mention her risk of losing her ability to practice medicine.

If NYC wants this to go away they will indict her on something less or plea her down. If she gets a plea then it will open up legal challenges everywhere.

So does the prohibition on felons owning guns and 5-year-olds owning handguns. Right? Shall not be infringed.

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Only if you assume that everyone possesses the full complement of civil rights. Traditionally, many rights are lost upon felony conviction. And children do not acquire full rights until they reach the age of majority.

But the point regarding NYC and the 2nd Amendment is valid, at least for nonresidents. There is no lawful way for a nonresident to keep and bear a loaded firearm in NYC; not openly, not concealed, no way, no how. Under Heller and McDonald, it's hard to see how that could pass muster.

NYC Has the Sullivan law. even if you have a carry permit from another county in the state you can not carry in NYC.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Travel to unfree states at your own risk! The relationship between freedom and those who run things is dysfunctional, at best. The treatment this woman is receiving is no different than what I would expect from North Korea, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, or Pakistan.

NYC Has the Sullivan law. even if you have a carry permit from another county in the state you can not carry in NYC.

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An upstate pistol permit holder can, in theory, get an NYC endorsement to carry in the city. Nonresidents have no legal options whatsoever.

new york city!!!!!!!!!!!

People need to sue in us district Court,for deprivation of rights under color of law,while tedious and complicated,these type cases can go all the way to the supreme court,discrimination under color of law is very common around the country,Leo's active and retired enjoy full state and federal freedom of armed movement through out the entire us and its Territory's,a law abiding citizen should be treated as equal = to judges=lawyers=police=politicians=military active=government employees=etc. reason=being a Leo does not preclude the possibility the person being involved in criminal activity=or an unhealthy mental state= unequal treatment under the law is illegal............isnt it

People need to sue ...

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What are you waiting for?

JohnBT said:

So does the prohibition on felons owning guns and 5-year-olds owning handguns. Right? Shall not be infringed.

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Correct... When the Founding Fathers said "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", they provided NO EXCEPTIONS... Sometimes you have to stand up for the principle of things... Maybe I would prefer that violent felons not have firearms, but I support their right to do so since the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS is a natural born right of free men EVERYWHERE. To believe otherwise is just one step down that slippery slope...

CollinLeon said:

Correct... When the Founding Fathers said "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", they provided NO EXCEPTIONS... Sometimes you have to stand up for the principle of things... Maybe I would prefer that violent felons not have firearms, but I support their right to do so since the RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS is a natural born right of free men EVERYWHERE. To believe otherwise is just one step down that slippery slope...

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I've never been comfortable with someone carrying the burden of their crime around their neck for their entire life.

In my view, it is WRONG to deny someone the right to vote or the protections of the Bill of Rights after they have done their time.

WinThePennant said:

I've never been comfortable with someone carrying the burden of their crime around their neck for their entire life.

In my view, it is WRONG to deny someone the right to vote or the protections of the Bill of Rights after they have done their time.

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Plus, there's the issue of a lot of things have been made felonies these days that were not even illegal when many of us had a bit more spring in our step...

Just look at the concept of "straw purchases"... I can remember when they were perfectly legal... These days, it can result in a much smaller accommodation made of steel and concrete...

Anyone out there brew their own beer? What about wine? Ever considered distilling that wine into brandy? Well, even if it is for personal consumption and even if it is a small amount, it would be a felony and you land you in jail for up to 5 years... Should a person lose their 2nd Amendment rights because they decided to see if they could make some of their wine into brandy? Up until 1978, it was illegal to homebrew beer even for your personal consumption. Should a home brewer from before that time lose their 2nd Amendment rights? I'm fairly certain that the Founding Fathers would have disagreed with this since many of them did their own homebrewing...

http://www.beerhistory.com/library/holdings/washingtonbeerlover.shtml

When the Founding Fathers said "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", they provided NO EXCEPTIONS.

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Sure they did; you can't just stop reading at the Second Amendment. The Fifth Amendment provides:

No person shall be [...] deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

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Felons have received due process, and have forfeited various civil rights as a result of their conviction. This is not, and should not, be unconstitutional.