Gun laws in Boston, Mass?

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Future trip planned to Boston Mass. Ironic that one of the birthplaces to freedom is so anti-free. :banghead:

But the trip is important.

I've looked around and know theres:
1) No CCW
2) No high cap mags (mags over 10 rounds)
3) No Assault Weapons, or shotguns that have large capacity mag tubes

What other restrictions need I be aware of to comply with the law?

Specifically,
- What permissible ways do I travel with my weapon?
- Are Hollow Points legal?
- Anything else unusual?
 
What permissible ways do I travel with my weapon?
None, if you are staying in Boston or MA.

Under FOPA, if you are traveling THROUGH MA on the way to a destination and from a starting point where you may legally possess the firearm, and have the gun unloaded and in a locked container in your trunk, separate from ammo, then you're fine. You can even make reasonable stops (for gas and food, and you know ;)) with the gun remaining locked in your trunk.

If you decide to stay in a hotel in MA overnight (which I wouldn't) on your way to that other legal place, I would send the keys to your locked case on ahead to your destination, so that you have NO ACCESS to your fireams while you are in our great Commonwealth.

I am not a lawyer, and this does not constitute advice. You can call the State police (I have found them a very undependable resource for legal info), or of course a firearms lawyer who works here. Some are listed at this website (scroll down).

We have something called the Barltey-Fox law here: carrying a handgun without a LTCF is specified for a minimum sentence of one year in jail. And "carrying a handgun" might include transporting it unloaded in a locked case--I personally would assume it does.

There are, I believe, exceptions for coming here for the purpose of competing in a recognized shooting competition, or hunting. There are specific requirements for those exemptions, which I do not know in detail.
 
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What about self-defense at a residence house?

Staying with a friend, say someone tries to break in?

Restrictions on hollowpoints?
 
What about self-defense at a residence house?

Staying with a friend, say someone tries to break in?

Restrictions on hollowpoints?


Duty to retreat... and you aren't allowed to posess it in the first place. Again, you just can't do it legally.
 
What about self-defense at a residence house?

Staying with a friend, say someone tries to break in?
You have the numbers for the lawyers.
Restrictions on hollowpoints?
No restrictions at all on HPs. Except, of course, you may not possess ANY ammunition or components of ammunition without a license.
Duty to retreat
No DTR in your residence.
 
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Is Boston your destination? Or are you just travelling through Mass. to some state that you can legally possess the firearm in?

VERY bad idea to come visit Boston without a license, cocked and locked with hollow points. Budget $10,000.00 to $15,000.00 for your trip in case something happens. You would have no sympathy in the Court and would face felony charges with 18 month mandatory sentences. (MGL. Ch. 269 sec. 10a) Depending on the circumstances it could be plead down to (MGL Ch 269 sec. 10h) which would spare you the minimum mandatory sentence.

Doesn't sound to me like a relaxing vacation.
 
So what I'm hearing is that if I stay at a friends house in Boston, I cannot have a loaded gun for self defense? Seriously?

I understand there's no CCW.

Surely there are gun owners in Boston who keep a loaded handgun in their homes for defensive reasons?
 
Another reason why I thank God I live in the South.
Actually, it's fine to live here, just a heck of a place for you to visit if you want to be armed. On the other hand, I can live here, armed, and visit the South, armed.

:)
Surely there are gun owners in Boston who keep a loaded handgun in their homes for defensive reasons?
Absolutely--I'd say PLENTY. And the ones doing it legally have licenses! :D
 
So I answered my own question with a bit of research:

Section 129C. No person, other than a licensed dealer or one who has been issued a license to carry a pistol or revolver or an exempt person as hereinafter described, shall own or possess any firearm, rifle, shotgun or ammunition unless he has been issued a firearm identification card by the licensing authority pursuant to the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine B.

No person shall sell, give away, loan or otherwise transfer a rifle or shotgun or ammunition other than (a) by operation of law, or (b) to an exempt person as hereinafter described, or (c) to a licensed dealer, or (d) to a person who displays his firearm identification card, or license to carry a pistol or revolver.

A seller shall, within seven days, report all such transfers to the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services according to the provisions set forth in section one hundred and twenty-eight A, and in the case of loss, theft or recovery of any firearm, rifle, shotgun or machine gun, a similar report shall be made forthwith to both the commissioner of the department of criminal justice information services and the licensing authority in the city or town where the owner resides. Failure to so report shall be cause for suspension or permanent revocation of such person’s firearm identification card or license to carry firearms, or both, and shall be punished by a fine of not less than $200 nor more than $1,000 for a first offense and by a fine of not less than $1,000 nor more than $5,000 for a second offense.

The provisions of this section shall not apply to the following exempted persons and uses:

(a) Any device used exclusively for signalling or distress use and required or recommended by the United States Coast Guard or the Interstate Commerce Commission, or for the firing of stud cartridges, explosive rivets or similar industrial ammunition;

(b) Federally licensed firearms manufacturers or wholesale dealers, or persons employed by them or by licensed dealers, or on their behalf, when possession of firearms, rifles or shotguns is necessary for manufacture, display, storage, transport, installation, inspection or testing;

(c) To a person voluntarily surrendering a firearm, rifle or shotgun and ammunition therefor to a licensing authority, the colonel of the state police or his designee if prior written notice has been given by said person to the licensing authority or the colonel of the state police, stating the place and approximate time of said surrender;

(d) The regular and ordinary transport of firearms, rifles or shotguns as merchandise by any common carrier;

(e) Possession by retail customers for the purpose of firing at duly licensed target concessions at amusement parks, piers and similar locations, provided that the firearms, rifles or shotguns to be so used are firmly chained or affixed to the counter and that the proprietor is in possession of a firearm identification card or license to carry firearms;

(f) Possession of rifles and shotguns and ammunition therefor by nonresident hunters with valid nonresident hunting licenses during hunting season;

(g) Possession of rifles and shotguns and ammunition therefor by nonresidents while on a firing or shooting range;

(h) Possession of rifles and shotguns and ammunition therefor by nonresidents traveling in or through the commonwealth, providing that any rifles or shotguns are unloaded and enclosed in a case;

(i) Possession of rifles and shotguns by nonresidents while at a firearm showing or display organized by a regularly existing gun collectors’ club or association;

(j) Any resident of the commonwealth returning after having been absent from the commonwealth for not less than 180 consecutive days or any new resident moving into the commonwealth, with respect to any firearm, rifle or shotgun and any ammunition therefor then in his possession, for 60 days after such return or entry into the commonwealth;

(k) Any person under the age of fifteen with respect to the use of a rifle or shotgun by such person in hunting or target shooting, provided that such use is otherwise permitted by law and is under the immediate supervision of a person holding a firearm identification card or a license to carry firearms, or a duly commissioned officer, noncommissioned officer or enlisted member of the United States Army, Navy, Marine Corps, Air Force or Coast Guard, or the National Guard or military service of the commonwealth or reserve components thereof, while in the performance of his duty;

(l) The possession or utilization of any rifle or shotgun during the course of any television, movie, stage or other similar theatrical production, or by a professional photographer or writer for examination purposes in the pursuit of his profession, providing such possession or utilization is under the immediate supervision of a holder of a firearm identification card or a license to carry firearms;

(m) The temporary holding, handling or firing of a firearm for examination, trial or instruction in the presence of a holder of a license to carry firearms, or the temporary holding, handling or firing of a rifle or shotgun for examination, trial or instruction in the presence of a holder of a firearm identification card, or where such holding, handling or firing is for a lawful purpose;

(n) The transfer of a firearm, rifle or shotgun upon the death of an owner to his heir or legatee shall be subject to the provisions of this section, provided that said heir or legatee shall within one hundred and eighty days of such transfer, obtain a firearm identification card or a license to carry firearms if not otherwise an exempt person who is qualified to receive such or apply to the licensing authority for such further limited period as may be necessary for the disposition of such firearm, rifle or shotgun;

(o) Persons in the military or other service of any state or of the United States, and police officers and other peace officers of any jurisdiction, in the performance of their official duty or when duly authorized to possess them;

(p) Carrying or possession by residents or nonresidents of so-called black powder rifles, shotguns, and ammunition therefor as described in such paragraphs (A) and (B) of the third paragraph of section 121, and the carrying or possession of conventional rifles, shotguns, and ammunition therefor by nonresidents who meet the requirements for such carrying or possession in the state in which they reside.

[There is no clause (q).]


(r) Possession by a veteran’s organization chartered by the Congress of the United States, chartered by the commonwealth or recognized as a nonprofit tax-exempt organization by the Internal Revenue Service and possession by the members of any such organization when on official parade duty or ceremonial occasions.

(s) Possession by federal, state and local historical societies, museums, and institutional collections open to the public, provided such firearms, rifles or shotguns are unloaded, properly housed and secured from unauthorized handling;

(t) the possession of firearms, rifles, shotguns, machine guns and ammunition, by banks or institutional lenders, or their agents, servants or employees, when the same are possessed as collateral for a secured commercial transaction or as a result of a default under a secured commercial transaction.

(u) Any nonresident who is eighteen years of age or older at the time of acquiring a rifle or shotgun from a licensed firearms dealer; provided, however, that such nonresident must hold a valid firearms license from his state of residence; provided, further, that the licensing requirements of such nonresident’s state of residence are as stringent as the requirements of the commonwealth for a firearm identification card, as determined by the colonel of the state police who shall, annually, publish a list of those states whose requirements comply with the provisions of this clause.

Any person, exempted by clauses (o), (p) and (q), purchasing a rifle or shotgun or ammunition therefor shall submit to the seller such full and clear proof of identification, including shield number, serial number, military or governmental order or authorization, military or other official identification, other state firearms license, or proof of nonresidence, as may be applicable.

Nothing in this section shall permit the sale of rifles or shotguns or ammunition therefor to a minor under the age of eighteen in violation of section one hundred and thirty nor may any firearm be sold to a person under the age of 21 nor to any person who is not licensed to carry firearms under section one hundred and thirty-one unless he presents a valid firearm identification card and a permit to purchase issued under section one hundred and thirty-one A, or presents such permit to purchase and is a properly documented exempt person as hereinbefore described.

Nothing in this section shall permit the sale or transfer of any large capacity rifle or shotgun or large capacity feeding device therefor to any person not in possession of a Class A or Class B license to carry firearms issued under section 131, or of any large capacity firearm or large capacity feeding device therefor to any person not in possession of a Class A license to carry firearms issued under section 131.

The possession of a firearm identification card issued under section one hundred and twenty-nine B shall not entitle any person to carry a firearm in violation of section ten of chapter two hundred and sixty-nine and, the possession of a firearm identification card issued under section 129B shall not entitle any person to possess any large capacity rifle or shotgun or large capacity feeding device therefor in violation of subsection (m) of said section 10 of said chapter 269.

Any person who, while not being within the limits of his own property or residence, or such person whose property or residence is under lawful search, and who is not exempt under this section, shall on demand of a police officer or other law enforcement officer, exhibit his license to carry firearms, or his firearm identification card or receipt for fee paid for such card, or, after January first, nineteen hundred and seventy, exhibit a valid hunting license issued to him which shall bear the number officially inscribed of such license to carry or card if any. Upon failure to do so such person may be required to surrender to such officer said firearm, rifle or shotgun which shall be taken into custody as under the provisions of section one hundred and twenty-nine D, except that such firearm, rifle or shotgun shall be returned forthwith upon presentation within thirty days of said license to carry firearms, firearm identification card or receipt for fee paid for such card or hunting license as hereinbefore described. Any person subject to the conditions of this paragraph may, even though no firearm, rifle or shotgun was surrendered, be required to produce within thirty days said license to carry firearms, firearm identification card or receipt for fee paid for such card, or said hunting license, failing which the conditions of section one hundred and twenty-nine D will apply. Nothing in this section shall prevent any person from being prosecuted for any violation of this chapter.

I am blown away at how draconian and backward Mass is... why in the world would anyone live in such a backward place???????

It really angers me that there are such asinine backward places like this in our great nation. Entire states of people effectively denied the 2A. :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
 
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I am blown away at how draconian and backward Mass is... why in the world would anyone live in such a backward place???????
To live far away from judgmental blow-hards like you, maybe? :evil:

It's not like anything's changed. Bartley-Fox was passed in 1974. I guess we're all glad you're getting up to speed on what's what, so you don't end up in Nashua Street.

Personally, I'm not sure you have a trip coming up at all. This whole thing sounds from the start like a set-up thread just to bash MA. The tip-off is no one could really be so ignorant as to not understand that some places (like So. Cal, NJ, MD, etc.) have laws about this stuff, so you should know them.

Or could they? :scrutiny:
 
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as unpleasant as MA gun laws may be....they are pretty straight forward.

the licensing system is as followes:

FID: may posses non large capacity rifles and shotguns. No carry

LTC-B: may posses non large capacity pistols, rifles, and shotguns. No concealed carry

LTC-A: may posses large capacity pistols, rifles, and shotguns. able to Conceal carry

licenses are required for residents and non-residents.......dont have a license, dont bring a gun into the state.


and asside from out pseudo-AWB....there are no restrictions on any ammo, caliber, or type of firearm.
 
Thank you M-Cameron.

I just can't wrap my mind around that law that... but thanks for the breakdown. I guess my gun will stay at home.

It's a shameful law, to say the least.
 
Loosehorse.

I appreciate your replies.

I do have an important trip there soon. Believe me I wouldn't go there unless I had to - I figured the laws were bad but had Never looked into them and NO idea that MA practically destroyed the 2A (along with other states, like you mentioned). I just assumed one of the states where freedom was born would be a little more 'free.'
 
I appreciate your replies.
Then, please, show your appreciation by deleting your comments about my state, and your CLEAR implication
why in the world would anyone live in such a backward place???????
that those who live here (MEANING ME) are idiots. After my honest posts to you, including information on accessing really knowledgeable people, such insult does not speak well of you.
NO idea that MA practically destroyed the 2A (along with other states, like you mentioned).
According to some, any state that has ANY gun laws at all has destroyed 2A. So, your state--wherever that may be--has likely "destroyed" it as well.

As to "no idea," well, we all have things to learn.
 
They make non res permit as hard to get as possible, so you'll give up. It requires a class taken from a MA certified instructor. You must go to Chelsea, MA, for an in person interview, scheduled at THEIR convenience, not yours. (and of course, you can't have your gun with you on that trip). The permit is good for one year, then you get to do all this over again.

For residents, permits are issued (or not) at the whim of the local Chief of Police, so every town is different. Some are practically shall-issue, mostly in the western portions of the state, and others are fuggedhaboutit. And if you DO get a permit, there's no guarantee they will issue a Class A. It's a real patchwork, and what's legal in one town can get you in Dutch just crossing the line on a map. There is no state preemption.
 
Some are practically shall-issue, mostly in the western portions of the state, and others are fuggedhaboutit.
I agree with your entire post (although the bit about out-of-state permits is purely second-hand for me; I have no experience there).

I think we should point out that "fuggedhaboutit" applies to a concealed carry license. Even in places like Boston, getting a permit to own rifles and shotguns, and to keep a handgun in your home and transport it (unloaded, locked and cased) to and from a target range, is pretty straight-forward.

Hey, I got a carry permit from Brookline once! Be impressed! :D
 
It is crucial that some of us stay in Massachusetts and fight. I always hear people say "just move to New Hampshire" or someplace else with less restrictive laws. You know what I say?

"WE ARE AMERICANS!!!!! We don't run from the enemy. It always bewilders me that so many well-meaning 2nd Amendment advocates say if you are in Massachusetts then run!!

Doesn't that completely undermine the Framers intent when they passed the 2nd Amendment?

Run from govt oppression??! Really??! How would the drafters of our Constitution feel about this issue?

Those of us living in Massachusetts need all the help we can get from our brothers in arms from other states. We must not give up on Massachusetts, EVER!!!!
 
as unpleasant as MA gun laws may be....they are pretty straight forward.

the licensing system is as followes:

FID: may posses non large capacity rifles and shotguns. No carry

LTC-B: may posses non large capacity pistols, rifles, and shotguns. No concealed carry

LTC-A: may posses large capacity pistols, rifles, and shotguns. able to Conceal carry

licenses are required for residents and non-residents.......dont have a license, dont bring a gun into the state.


and asside from out pseudo-AWB....there are no restrictions on any ammo, caliber, or type of firearm.

Note: Not all LTC-A allows conceal carry, the LTC-A must state Restrictions: NONE ( if its a bit older, it may also state Restrictions:ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES)
 
Hey, I got a carry permit from Brookline once! Be impressed!
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I am!!!!:)

On topic: OP please dont carry in Ma with out the proper credentials.

Off topic bragging: I was born and raised in Roxbury, Moved to Roslindale when I was 12,
went into the Army at 17, came back in 1970 got a permit, Went on the Police Dept in 73, retired, and started a second career.

I left in 98, not because of the gun laws, or pols like "Mumbles" Mennino.

I left because my second wifes family owned 200 acres in a shall issue state with no snow, no Southeast expressway, no route 128,and rte 9, and no high crime, ( our county had one murder for 225k people in 2010. low property taxes- prop 21/2 was a joke - the basic 2.50 per thousand can be overridden. Here 1.04 per thousand. Schools -we graduate 89%, 71 % accepted to higher education or the military. I leave my house and both trucks unlocked.

I do miss the North End restaurants, Fanual hall, the Bershires, Everything in New Hamshire and Vermont, The Cape beaches, and when I was younger the "combat Zone"(I have been told it is gone now and up scale) greek sub shops, and Channel 4 news.

There are a lot of good people in Ma, keep fighting for change and God Bless.
 
Jesse C. Cohen
Attorney at Law
Mr. Cohen is one of the attorneys listed at that website I posted. Guys, if any of you have important questions about MA gun law--PLEASE ASK HIM, professionally, instead of any gun forum.

(No, I do not know him...but I may be giving him a call soon...:))
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Then, please, show your appreciation by deleting your comments about my state, and your CLEAR implication
Hmmm. leadcounsel has not yet decided to act on my request. To me, that bolsters the case that this thread was a hatchet job on MA from the start. If he doesn't remove his negative comments on the Commonwealth and her residents, it sure makes it seem that those unnecessary, low-road attacks are actually central to his purpose, instead of just a frustrated outburst.

Actually, I had suspicions back when he posted
What about self-defense at a residence house?

Staying with a friend, say someone tries to break in?
I mean, what answer did he expect? "Oh, no: the laws change for that. Make sure to mention that you were only concerned about self-defense in a residence, and they'll take those cuffs right off and apologize."

:rolleyes::D Just to be clear: no, they won't.
I left because my second wifes family owned 200 acres in a shall issue state with no snow, no Southeast expressway, no route 128,and rte 9, and no high crime, ( our county had one murder for 225k people in 2010. low property taxes- prop 21/2 was a joke - the basic 2.50 per thousand can be overridden. Here 1.04 per thousand. Schools -we graduate 89%, 71 % accepted to higher education or the military. I leave my house and both trucks unlocked.
So...why'd you leave, again? ;):D
Isn't running from British oppression exactly what created America?
Actually George Washington made running from British forces (rather than standing and fighting...and LOSING) an art form.

He rarely attacked--with the notable exception of one Christmas morning. I guess he was drunk! ;)
We must not give up on Massachusetts, EVER!!!!
Perhaps everyone should remember that people "dumb enough" to live in two of the MOST anti-gun places in the country, DC and Chicago, were the reasons for our recent CRUCIALLY important 2A legal victories. It is very likely that people living in places like NYC, MD, NJ...and even MA will eventually contribute more victories.

Some of you are probably aware of the recent MA ruling that 2A applies to legal resident aliens. So it begins.
 
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