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Gun laws in Boston, Mass?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by leadcounsel, Apr 5, 2012.

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  1. leadcounsel

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    Future trip planned to Boston Mass. Ironic that one of the birthplaces to freedom is so anti-free. :banghead:

    But the trip is important.

    I've looked around and know theres:
    1) No CCW
    2) No high cap mags (mags over 10 rounds)
    3) No Assault Weapons, or shotguns that have large capacity mag tubes

    What other restrictions need I be aware of to comply with the law?

    Specifically,
    - What permissible ways do I travel with my weapon?
    - Are Hollow Points legal?
    - Anything else unusual?
     
  2. Loosedhorse

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    None, if you are staying in Boston or MA.

    Under FOPA, if you are traveling THROUGH MA on the way to a destination and from a starting point where you may legally possess the firearm, and have the gun unloaded and in a locked container in your trunk, separate from ammo, then you're fine. You can even make reasonable stops (for gas and food, and you know ;)) with the gun remaining locked in your trunk.

    If you decide to stay in a hotel in MA overnight (which I wouldn't) on your way to that other legal place, I would send the keys to your locked case on ahead to your destination, so that you have NO ACCESS to your fireams while you are in our great Commonwealth.

    I am not a lawyer, and this does not constitute advice. You can call the State police (I have found them a very undependable resource for legal info), or of course a firearms lawyer who works here. Some are listed at this website (scroll down).

    We have something called the Barltey-Fox law here: carrying a handgun without a LTCF is specified for a minimum sentence of one year in jail. And "carrying a handgun" might include transporting it unloaded in a locked case--I personally would assume it does.

    There are, I believe, exceptions for coming here for the purpose of competing in a recognized shooting competition, or hunting. There are specific requirements for those exemptions, which I do not know in detail.
     
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  3. alsaqr

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    What Loosedhorse said. Do not take a gun into the state of MA.
     
  4. leadcounsel

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    What about self-defense at a residence house?

    Staying with a friend, say someone tries to break in?

    Restrictions on hollowpoints?
     
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    Duty to retreat... and you aren't allowed to posess it in the first place. Again, you just can't do it legally.
     
  6. Loosedhorse

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    You have the numbers for the lawyers.
    No restrictions at all on HPs. Except, of course, you may not possess ANY ammunition or components of ammunition without a license.
    No DTR in your residence.
     
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  7. Prince Yamato

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    See about a non-resident permit. $100, good for a year.
     
  8. JesseCohen

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    Is Boston your destination? Or are you just travelling through Mass. to some state that you can legally possess the firearm in?

    VERY bad idea to come visit Boston without a license, cocked and locked with hollow points. Budget $10,000.00 to $15,000.00 for your trip in case something happens. You would have no sympathy in the Court and would face felony charges with 18 month mandatory sentences. (MGL. Ch. 269 sec. 10a) Depending on the circumstances it could be plead down to (MGL Ch 269 sec. 10h) which would spare you the minimum mandatory sentence.

    Doesn't sound to me like a relaxing vacation.
     
  9. the iron horse

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    Another reason why I thank God I live in the South.
     
  10. leadcounsel

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    So what I'm hearing is that if I stay at a friends house in Boston, I cannot have a loaded gun for self defense? Seriously?

    I understand there's no CCW.

    Surely there are gun owners in Boston who keep a loaded handgun in their homes for defensive reasons?
     
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    Actually, it's fine to live here, just a heck of a place for you to visit if you want to be armed. On the other hand, I can live here, armed, and visit the South, armed.

    :)
    Absolutely--I'd say PLENTY. And the ones doing it legally have licenses! :D
     
  12. leadcounsel

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    So I answered my own question with a bit of research:

    I am blown away at how draconian and backward Mass is... why in the world would anyone live in such a backward place???????

    It really angers me that there are such asinine backward places like this in our great nation. Entire states of people effectively denied the 2A. :fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::fire::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead::banghead:
     
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  13. Loosedhorse

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    To live far away from judgmental blow-hards like you, maybe? :evil:

    It's not like anything's changed. Bartley-Fox was passed in 1974. I guess we're all glad you're getting up to speed on what's what, so you don't end up in Nashua Street.

    Personally, I'm not sure you have a trip coming up at all. This whole thing sounds from the start like a set-up thread just to bash MA. The tip-off is no one could really be so ignorant as to not understand that some places (like So. Cal, NJ, MD, etc.) have laws about this stuff, so you should know them.

    Or could they? :scrutiny:
     
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  14. M-Cameron

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    as unpleasant as MA gun laws may be....they are pretty straight forward.

    the licensing system is as followes:

    FID: may posses non large capacity rifles and shotguns. No carry

    LTC-B: may posses non large capacity pistols, rifles, and shotguns. No concealed carry

    LTC-A: may posses large capacity pistols, rifles, and shotguns. able to Conceal carry

    licenses are required for residents and non-residents.......dont have a license, dont bring a gun into the state.


    and asside from out pseudo-AWB....there are no restrictions on any ammo, caliber, or type of firearm.
     
  15. leadcounsel

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    Thank you M-Cameron.

    I just can't wrap my mind around that law that... but thanks for the breakdown. I guess my gun will stay at home.

    It's a shameful law, to say the least.
     
  16. leadcounsel

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    Loosehorse.

    I appreciate your replies.

    I do have an important trip there soon. Believe me I wouldn't go there unless I had to - I figured the laws were bad but had Never looked into them and NO idea that MA practically destroyed the 2A (along with other states, like you mentioned). I just assumed one of the states where freedom was born would be a little more 'free.'
     
  17. Loosedhorse

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    Then, please, show your appreciation by deleting your comments about my state, and your CLEAR implication
    that those who live here (MEANING ME) are idiots. After my honest posts to you, including information on accessing really knowledgeable people, such insult does not speak well of you.
    According to some, any state that has ANY gun laws at all has destroyed 2A. So, your state--wherever that may be--has likely "destroyed" it as well.

    As to "no idea," well, we all have things to learn.
     
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    They make non res permit as hard to get as possible, so you'll give up. It requires a class taken from a MA certified instructor. You must go to Chelsea, MA, for an in person interview, scheduled at THEIR convenience, not yours. (and of course, you can't have your gun with you on that trip). The permit is good for one year, then you get to do all this over again.

    For residents, permits are issued (or not) at the whim of the local Chief of Police, so every town is different. Some are practically shall-issue, mostly in the western portions of the state, and others are fuggedhaboutit. And if you DO get a permit, there's no guarantee they will issue a Class A. It's a real patchwork, and what's legal in one town can get you in Dutch just crossing the line on a map. There is no state preemption.
     
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    I agree with your entire post (although the bit about out-of-state permits is purely second-hand for me; I have no experience there).

    I think we should point out that "fuggedhaboutit" applies to a concealed carry license. Even in places like Boston, getting a permit to own rifles and shotguns, and to keep a handgun in your home and transport it (unloaded, locked and cased) to and from a target range, is pretty straight-forward.

    Hey, I got a carry permit from Brookline once! Be impressed! :D
     
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    It is crucial that some of us stay in Massachusetts and fight. I always hear people say "just move to New Hampshire" or someplace else with less restrictive laws. You know what I say?

    "WE ARE AMERICANS!!!!! We don't run from the enemy. It always bewilders me that so many well-meaning 2nd Amendment advocates say if you are in Massachusetts then run!!

    Doesn't that completely undermine the Framers intent when they passed the 2nd Amendment?

    Run from govt oppression??! Really??! How would the drafters of our Constitution feel about this issue?

    Those of us living in Massachusetts need all the help we can get from our brothers in arms from other states. We must not give up on Massachusetts, EVER!!!!
     
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    Isn't running from British oppression exactly what created America? :evil:
     
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    Note: Not all LTC-A allows conceal carry, the LTC-A must state Restrictions: NONE ( if its a bit older, it may also state Restrictions:ALL LAWFUL PURPOSES)
     
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    I am!!!!:)

    On topic: OP please dont carry in Ma with out the proper credentials.

    Off topic bragging: I was born and raised in Roxbury, Moved to Roslindale when I was 12,
    went into the Army at 17, came back in 1970 got a permit, Went on the Police Dept in 73, retired, and started a second career.

    I left in 98, not because of the gun laws, or pols like "Mumbles" Mennino.

    I left because my second wifes family owned 200 acres in a shall issue state with no snow, no Southeast expressway, no route 128,and rte 9, and no high crime, ( our county had one murder for 225k people in 2010. low property taxes- prop 21/2 was a joke - the basic 2.50 per thousand can be overridden. Here 1.04 per thousand. Schools -we graduate 89%, 71 % accepted to higher education or the military. I leave my house and both trucks unlocked.

    I do miss the North End restaurants, Fanual hall, the Bershires, Everything in New Hamshire and Vermont, The Cape beaches, and when I was younger the "combat Zone"(I have been told it is gone now and up scale) greek sub shops, and Channel 4 news.

    There are a lot of good people in Ma, keep fighting for change and God Bless.
     
  24. Loosedhorse

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    Mr. Cohen is one of the attorneys listed at that website I posted. Guys, if any of you have important questions about MA gun law--PLEASE ASK HIM, professionally, instead of any gun forum.

    (No, I do not know him...but I may be giving him a call soon...:))
    Hmmm. leadcounsel has not yet decided to act on my request. To me, that bolsters the case that this thread was a hatchet job on MA from the start. If he doesn't remove his negative comments on the Commonwealth and her residents, it sure makes it seem that those unnecessary, low-road attacks are actually central to his purpose, instead of just a frustrated outburst.

    Actually, I had suspicions back when he posted
    I mean, what answer did he expect? "Oh, no: the laws change for that. Make sure to mention that you were only concerned about self-defense in a residence, and they'll take those cuffs right off and apologize."

    :rolleyes::D Just to be clear: no, they won't.
    So...why'd you leave, again? ;):D
    Actually George Washington made running from British forces (rather than standing and fighting...and LOSING) an art form.

    He rarely attacked--with the notable exception of one Christmas morning. I guess he was drunk! ;)
    Perhaps everyone should remember that people "dumb enough" to live in two of the MOST anti-gun places in the country, DC and Chicago, were the reasons for our recent CRUCIALLY important 2A legal victories. It is very likely that people living in places like NYC, MD, NJ...and even MA will eventually contribute more victories.

    Some of you are probably aware of the recent MA ruling that 2A applies to legal resident aliens. So it begins.
     
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    Now just remember who their Governor is... (Mitt Romney)
     
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