Origin of the 7-Round Magazine Limit?

I dont know their logic, but I think you are on to something regarding making most of any detachable magazine illegal. That is as good as any logic I have heard that makes any sence as to why they would do it (not that I agree).

These idiots probably rolled some dice :banghead:

Maybe Mr Bloomberg owns a .45 cal 1911.

1911 and revolvers popped into my head

What in the world are people with 10/22's and other ubiquitous 10rd mags. What a mess.

I doubt they have any empirical data whatsoever. It's an emotional response by people who would rather close their eyes and tell themselves someone will come to help when things get bad.

Maybe they are just feeling lucky.

my first thought was revolvers
hunting in the state is limited to 5 rounds +1 in the chamber
(so as one *censored* on the floor said "You have one extra for good measure")

What in the world are people with 10/22's and other ubiquitous 10rd mags. What a mess.

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Pop the follower off and put a stick in the bottom?
Completely ignore the rule?
Drill & put a pop rivet in?

Sadly the way the rule is written, what is legal to limit capacity is completely arbitrary. There is no guidance at all.

Of course there was no logical rationale behind it. It's a politically driven emotional knee jerk response to a "tragic opportunity". The only logic behind it was to never let a crisis go to waste in pushing their agenda. It's actually not a "knee jerk" reaction at all. It was planned, and waiting in the wings. The "knee jerk" part of it is that many people are just going along with it without thinking it through because they are being driven by their emotions. The politicians are playing them, plain and simple. I mean really? From 10 rounds to 7? Come on.

Pop the follower off and put a stick in the bottom?
Completely ignore the rule?
Drill & put a pop rivet in?

Sadly the way the rule is written, what is legal to limit capacity is completely arbitrary. There is no guidance at all.

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Exactly!

Are there millions of potential felons waking up today with no idea how to be non-felons in NY ? Talk about a cluster...

7 round magazine limit basically allows only small concealable semiautomatic handguns such as The kel tec and Ruger and the cheapo pot metal guns such as the Bryco-Jennings-Cobra clan.
(Can you guess what's next on their ban list.)
It is unlikely manufacturers can or even will bother to produce and supply enough 7 shot specialty magazines to New York within the 30 day window which then effectively turns most semi auto handguns into single shots unless the owner chooses to violate the law and continue using his 10 shot magazine which will result in a misdemenor charge until NY decides to make the offense a felony.

This legislation is a pure attack on law abiding citizens.

By the way, I am a bit confused on the legality of M1 Garand which uses a clip feed fixed magazine, no detachable box and how does this law translate to weapons such as lever/pump rifles which feature larger than 7 shot magazines?????

I think the inevitible challenge is for the gun owners in the state to completely ignore the statute and let the prosecutors try to justify the law in court. This is the ultimate vehicle for organizations like the NRA and the ACLU to challenge the scope and motivations of lawmakers. You cannot constitutionally make millions of lawful citizens into criminals with a stroke of the pen without opening a pandora's box of future actions. This law deprives the owners the right to use their legally purchased property and the government cannot take that action without compensating them for it at the very least.

It as stated during the hearings yesterday in the Assembly that the number was reached by NY law enforcement officials, not politicians. Question the validity of that, but that is what was said.

A couple thoughts:

1. From what I understand, you can still use 10 round magazines if you have them, you just can't load them past 7 rounds. :banghead:

2. By "New York Law Enforcement Officials" I assume they mean police chiefs, who in many places, especially New York, are more politician than Police Officer. You have to remember that the International Chiefs of Police and the FOP often disagree on subjects, especially guns. This is probably not a rank and file opinion.

3. Seven was probably chosen for two distinct reasons:

A. They've already done 10, it didn't work, so clearly the magic number is lower.

B. Outlawing all semi-auto pistols with a mag limit might put them in danger of having their law overturned by citing Heller's use of Miller to establish protection for weapons "commonly in use in the home" for self protection. By going with seven they can say "See you can still have 1911s and S&W Shields and many other similiar single stack semi-autos."

4. I imagine that large caliber handguns may suddenly become very popular in NY. If you can't carry more than 7+1, then some of the arguments in favor of 9mm over .45 sort of go away. Not all of them mind you, but some, which could cause a resurgence in the popularity of large caliber handguns.

goldie said:

These idiots probably rolled some dice :banghead:

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Certainly not D&D ones.

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Certainly not D&D ones.

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I see what you did there.

I think the inevitible challenge is for the gun owners in the state to completely ignore the statute and let the prosecutors try to justify the law in court.

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And this is why challenging firearms laws takes so long. To gain "standing", one usually has to break the law, spend all his savings, and risk many years in prison. Legislators know that they can pass something that will stand for years, regardless of the constitutionality of the law, because someone does want to risk life savings/prison in order to make a point.

Race to the bottom?

I think they picked 7 because it's lower than 10 and they wanted to be able to brag about the "most restrictive" gun laws in the country. This gives freedom-hating legislators in other states the cover to say either:

A) "Let's do seven. New York did it, so it's the new "10"" (in which case companies will tool up to make 7-round mags for just about everything)

B) "We want the toughest law, so lets go w/ 6 (5, 4, 3...)"

"Logic" and "leftist/statist anti-gun legislator" are contradictions in terms.

I'm sure the number 7 was pulled out of their respective arses. Maybe they thought it was a "lucky" number -- that would at least indicate a vestige of conscious thought.


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Rob G said:

I see what you did there.

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Good to know I'm not the only nerd here.

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So my glenfield model 60 .22 just became illegal, as did my Winchester 9422. Nice. I wonder how many crimes are committed in NY each year with tube fed 22 rifles? I'm betting not many.

Certainly not D&D ones.

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Actually, 7 is the average result of 2d6.

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Actually, 7 is the average result of 2d6.

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NERDDDDD!!!!!

Very true though, I was thinking more the full die set.

That said the idea of Anti-Gunners rolling D&D dies is hilarious (even lots of pro gunners did the same thing) since I bet many of them thought it was literally the most evil thing to "protect the children" from back in the 1980s.

No, their next move will be to outlaw firearms "that can accept a magazine that exceeds 7 rounds." That will ban almost everything, including 1911's, and require a NY-specific version of every firearm that cannot accept standard magazines.