I shoot a .458 Lott and use .458 Win Mags as plinkers....I much prefer the recoil of a Lott to my .338 Win Mag and several of the other fast mid-bores. Truly punishing is my .30-378.
The 45-70 is pointless.
If you don't like shooting big bore rifles because they hurt you, then just don't do it-this ain't no pissing match.
30-06 anything else is a pretender. .308 is a choice but almost as good isn't as good. 7MM is near perfect but more expensive to shoot. The 45-70 is pointless. That was proved over 100 years ago. The battle of San Juan hill was the last time the military made the mistake of useing inferior slower cartridges . According to the Alaska DNR the most effective round other than 3 or 4 huge bone crusher magnums, against Brown bears is the 30-06. 308 was way down the list and the 45-70 was way below that. Nothing says lack of power and range than a black powder cartridge.
What is the most powerful caliber that you either own or have shot that is still reasonable when it comes to recoil, and cost to shoot?
I'm considering adding a large gun to the collection just in case I go large game hunting or give into the urge to see a coyote explode but I don't want something that costs 5$ a shot to shoot or knocks me down. The answer will be different for everyone so I am curious, personally for me I think it might be a 300rum, never shot one but its under 2$ a shot and a mosin nagant hardly kicks for me when wearing a jacket so I think I could stand shooting 10-15 rounds of 300 rum
The offer is open; I will supply the range, the rifles and the ammo. If you can group as well with the .375 RUM as something .30-06 or less under the same shooting conditions (and not a lead sled or other recoil mitigating device), I will give you crisp $100 bill. Fail, you pay for the ammo consumed and start a thread here admitting it.
I don't see "nobody" being claimed.
Having said that, you can't beat physics, and no matter what kind of beefcake you are, you're gonna have to hold a big boomer tighter than a moderate mid bore if you don't wanna be scope-eyed, which will negatively affect accuracy.
I'm not a little guy, and I'm a very seasoned rifle shooter. Still, I don't shoot my 8 Mag as well as my .25-06, and I don't shoot my .375 RUM as well as the 8 Mag. The reason is very simple; I don't wish to gash my brow with a scope, so I pull them in tighter and tense my body more as recoil goes up.
I would put a $100 bill on the table and wager a bet that any man, no matter how big & macho, would find the same results with rifles of equal mechanical accuracy. Only a dishonest man would walk away with the money by deliberately throwing shots with the lighter recoiling rifle.
Sierra GameKings .308 (30cal) = $28.00 per 100, Sierra GameKings .284 (7mm) =$28.00 per 100, ?30-06 anything else is a pretender. .308 is a choice but almost as good isn't as good. 7MM is near perfect but more expensive to shoot. The 45-70 is pointless. That was proved over 100 years ago. The battle of San Juan hill was the last time the military made the mistake of useing inferior slower cartridges . According to the Alaska DNR the most effective round other than 3 or 4 huge bone crusher magnums, against Brown bears is the 30-06. 308 was way down the list and the 45-70 was way below that. Nothing says lack of power and range than a black powder cartridge.
savanahsdad said:30-06 is at the top of the list , and 308win is way down the list ??... please tell us what is in the middle of that list ? it would have to be 60fps slower than the 30-06 and 50fps faster than the 308win , if there ever was a cartridge we didn't need it would fall right in there,
Whatever you say.d2wing said:The 45-70 is pointless. That was proved over 100 years ago. The battle of San Juan hill was the last time the military made the mistake of useing inferior slower cartridges . According to the Alaska DNR the most effective round other than 3 or 4 huge bone crusher magnums, against Brown bears is the 30-06. 308 was way down the list and the 45-70 was way below that. Nothing says lack of power and range than a black powder cartridge.
thanks for the link , I would have never known that a 30-06 had more power than a 300win mag what a joke , and they list the 30-06 over the 7mm rem mag, and the 300 Wby mag. and the 300H&H didn't even make the list and no 270win but they put the 44mag on the list I shoot a lot of 44mag and 270win , there is no way a 44mag will do more than a 270win, or a 300win mag , I think the USDA had some misinformed 30-06 fanboys working on this and yes USDA Forest services not the DNR !http://www.fs.fed.us/pnw/pubs/gtr152.pdf
.30-06 did better than .308 due to being able to shoot 220gr bullet
And for the record, that DNR study was done in 1983, before .45-70 had many bullet options.
MachIVShooter said:I don't find the recoil of my 7.5 lb 8mm Rem Mag (calculated 42 ft/lbs with my loads) bothersome for a few rounds of sighting in, but I certainly wouldn't want to get beat up with 100+ shots off the bench in a day.
Hot damn! Sounds like great masochistic fun! I'd give you a crisp $100 bill just to let me try if we are talking 3 shot groups from prone unsupported and I can start with the .375 RUM. I think I could do it under those conditions. I have every confidence that after shooting the .375 RUM my brain would be so rattled I'd flinch so much my .30-06 groups would open up enough to win back my $100.
I'll add to MachIV and say that my 8mm Rem Mag stoked with 200gr Accubonds is about the threshold for me. I can fire off a few rounds but shooting 10-20+ isn't my idea of fun.
Hmmm I think that in general you may be correct but let me say that owning a .375 has made me a better shooter. It has taught me to be more circumspect with shooting position and grip.
it is the recoil velocity of that .375 that makes it particularly harsh. A 300 gr. Sierra BTSP @ 2,970 FPS produces a very sharp recoil impulse in a sporting weight rifle.
Yup, speed kills the hunted and the hunter. A Mk V in .378 is the most unpleasant rifle I have ever shot, more so than a .338 Laupa or a .50 BMG.
Remember, though, the the .375 H&H is a pussycat compared to a lot of the medium and big bore magnums. Not saying the recoil is light, but it's quite a bit more tolerable than many on account of the relatively low operating pressure and correspondingly lower muzzle velocity. An 8 lb .375 H&H will only tap you with about 40-45 ft/lbs @ ~20 FPS.