Most powerful reasonable caliber?

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I was wrong about the 45-70. I forgot that it was right below the .308. I have the paper copy somewhere that lists different ratings and is several pages long. I believe that report is based on observed results and bullet tests. Some rounds are not included because they are not in common use. And some bullets did not do as well as you would expect because they are not designed for the specific task. Penetration to the vitals and expending massive energy around the wound channel. Some bullets get there but either pass through or just stop without blowing any organs up. But there are lots of choices none are really wrong. Sometimes I remind myself that our forefathers killed big game with arrows and spears.
 
.35 Whelen

I would have to go along with the 35 Whelen guys. I got one 2 weeks ago...It's a 700 Classic,but I put the pretty wood stock in the box and installed a synthetic that has the weight at 7 lbs,12 ounces. I was mighty grateful for a Leupold with plenty of eye relief.

I also have a 300 Win mag,but it's recoil is not as heavy as the Whelen's by a good margin.I wouldn't want to do 100 plus rounds in an afternoon with either.

I'm right there with you on the .35 Whelen. I find the .300 Winchester Magnum Remington 700 to be a pussycat in the recoil category as compared to my 700 Classic .35 Whelen.

Bullet weight has something to do with it I'm sure. 225 grain Nosler and Barnes in the Whelen -vs- 165 & 180 in the .300 magnum. I eventually put a pre-fit Limbsaver recoil pad on the Whelen...tamed the beast.


The .35 Whelen would should've been named .358 Whelen Express...sounds as impressive as it actually is. At least to me. :scrutiny:

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Three calibers come to mind for what type of shooting/hunting you implied.
1.) 375 H&H Mag.
2.) 35 Whelen
3.) 9.3x62 Mauser

All 3 can be chamber in excellent and proven action of the Mauser 98.
 
What is the most powerful caliber that you either own or have shot that is still reasonable when it comes to recoil, and cost to shoot?

.30/06 is the limit for recoil I can handle. If they open up a grizzly season down here and I ever get to hunt them, I would use my .308 with a good bullet and call it good.
 
In my Masochist days I had a 338Win, 375H&H, and 416REM those days are past. The 30-06 is now what I have.
 
To me, it quickly comes down to .308 and 30-06. From a lot of parameters:
Balance between range and cost
Balance between capability and availability
Balance between recoil and energy
And so on.
And for me, and I suspect many others, if you compare the two remaining rounds, .308 would come out on top.
It's just simple, reasonably priced, widely available, lots of assistance if you reload, modest recoil in many/most long guns.
There are many cases where it's not the right or best choice but it's a fine choice in so many instances that it's my choice in this class of cartridge.
After going with the .308 and using it some, if you find many cases where it just seems inappropriate, then you'll know what else to buy. But I doubt you'd ever dump the .308 system.

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I'm in the same boat as the above.
One thing to add is the fact that both cartridges can be had in a wide variety of different rifles, with a tad more options chambered in 308.
Pick the best rifle that works for you in either, and you could hunt anything on this continent. ( It's already been done with both)
 
while I can handle 30-06 and a .338, I don't necessarily want to shoot them all day.

First off - I'm going to put reasonable into a reloading sense, meaning multiple efficient powders and inexpensive components. Now again, the .30 cal stuff is the most ubiquitous my any standard, and therefore the cheapest.

But - given the "reasonable" term meaning not necessarily the cheapest, and power being what I can shoot in relative comfort repeatably, If I was to choose - it would be a 6.5 sweede or a 7mm-08.

Running the numbers, using the 30-06 as a "killing standard" and as a standard of the average persons shooting comfort limit - both have about 90% of the energy of a 06 at about 66% of the measured recoil, given a similar gun.

This, of course also assumes typical varmint to large deer type game. If I was out after bigger stuff - probably a .338 in a nice solid, heavy gun for me. I'll deal with lugging 10# to save my shoulder. Flinching on the shot - no matter what you are shooting - isn't likely going to put much meat on your table at the end of the day.
But like many others have already stated - the .308 does almost the same thing, yet utilizes many of the same components as it's larger sibling. Which is why I have a .308 first, and will finally buy my own 6.5 or 7-08 within a year.
 
Did I say I don't like to shoot big boomers? Did I say they hurt me? I think not. I simply said that I can't shoot them with the same degree of accuracy as a lighter recoiling rifle for the simple reason that they require more muscle tension to deal with the recoil.

Have you ever fired a 7 pound .375 Ultra Mag with a scope? With my handloads, it comes back at 26 FPS with 82 ft/lbs of recoil-roughly four times that of a .30-06. Yeah, I can handle it. But I can't (nor can any other normal human being) settle into it and focus on breathing and trigger squeeze like you do with a smaller cartridge when you have that kind of energy coming back at you with a small metal ring aimed directly at your ocular socket. If you do, you're gonna get cut, maybe worse.

Your remarks suggest to me that you have limited experience behind heavy recoiling guns and fancy yourself tougher than the rest. I'll let you in on a little secret: There are a lot of members here with a whole lot of trigger time behind dangerous game rifles, many of them a lot more than I have. I promise you that we're all chuckling at anyone who claims they can shoot a firearm with severe recoil as well as one with light to moderate.

The offer is open; I will supply the range, the rifles and the ammo. If you can group as well with the .375 RUM as something .30-06 or less under the same shooting conditions (and not a lead sled or other recoil mitigating device), I will give you crisp $100 bill. Fail, you pay for the ammo consumed and start a thread here admitting it.
Nope, what YOU were saying was that guys like me, who enjoy the shooting challenges of large rifles are within a group of certain adjectives; beefcake, macho, bla blah blah....making monstrous ASSUMptions about who/what you are talking with.

You can try and change it up, and manipulate anyone you like, don't make any difference to me that you prefer small bore rifles. It's no reflection on your manhood, or anybody elses'.

BTW-People fictionally "chuckling" at other people on the interwebs, used as a basis of some sort of a debate point, for more of your one-uppers ? Get over yourself.

It's a fun interwebs conversation about rifle calibers, and you're taking it personally-find your meds and step away from the keyboard.
 
Powder, I guess you didn't exactly chuckle but you did get a "kick" out of other people saying it is impossible to shoot such and such caliber....when no one had said anything like that up to that point in this thread. I'll refer you to post #34. You introduced this side topic, and I don't even think you know what you are arguing anymore since your posts are wandering all over the place.
 
Sounds like that`s a bucket-list item. Buying(possibly) something by committee doesn`t mean you`ll like the out come.

It`s more of a challenge to do your own home-work. You know what you want. :)
 
While I consider my go-to rifles .308 Win, .30-06 Sprg and 7mm RM depending on the hunt, if I'm backing up a friend or nephew, out comes my .375 H&H. With 260-270gr bullets, it matches the ballistics of a .30-06 with 180gr bullets out to 250 yards. It'll stop anything I'll ever hunt and when I practice, I shoot 20-40 rounds without problems. My musket is a Rem 700 XCR II in a B&C stock with full bedding block and I've scoped it with a Zeiss 3-9x40 Z-Plex in Leupy QR bases and rings.

Great rifle, great load...and one in which I have total confidence out to 250 yards anywhere.

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Powder, I guess you didn't exactly chuckle but you did get a "kick" out of other people saying it is impossible to shoot such and such caliber....when no one had said anything like that up to that point in this thread. I'll refer you to post #34. You introduced this side topic, and I don't even think you know what you are arguing anymore since your posts are wandering all over the place.
You referenced my post at #34, in helping to highlight my point?

I'm not going post by post, "calling out" folks who won't shoot anything larger than .Xxx caliber-because it's nothing of a personal affront in the first place, other than to the goof-ball who wanted to range challenge for a $100 bill but could not articulate well enough to clarify WHAT his actual point is/was. LOL!
 
why no .50BMG? While I don't shoot big-bore myself, I've talked with a number of guys in my club who do, including the 50 and they seem to love it. You can reload it for I guess about $3/rnd or buy commercial for $5-6, but you don't shoot that many rounds in competition anyway, so that doesn't seem too bad.

Recoil? Well a lot of these guys are shooting heavy bench guns or rail guns so I don't think it matters too much to them, but I have no personal experience. Supposedly out of a Barret with a muzzle brake, it feels about like a slug from a 12ga.

And clearly it puts all .30cal magnums to shame. :)
 
If you really want to see a coyote explode for not a lot of money buy yourself a 12 ga. shotgun and some hardcast slugs for it. In particular I'd suggest the Brenneke Black Magic Magnum 3" slug. It's 600+ gr. traveling at 1500 fps. You can buy them for less than $2.25 a round. And trust me they will blast a big hole though a coyote. For example if you choose a head shot there likely won't be any head left.

Of course these rounds kick like a mule. You can't have powerful, cheap and low recoil all in the same round. Life just doesn't work that way. Your best bet is a 30.06 with 220 gr. bullets IMO. They will do some serious damage and won't hurt your shoulder for more than a few days and they're cheap compared to many of the big magnums.
 
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I haven't seen the OP return to this thread in a while, wonder if he decided to take up tennis. :evil:

From what I read in his original query, I'd say that the .300 RUM is a good candidate for the lower 48. I don't own one but shot a co-workers while helping him sight it in for deer season one year. Recoil is stout but not oppressive. There is the added benefit that Remington offers it in their "Managed Recoil" series so you can have the ballistics of the -06 or the RUM in the same rifle without reloading.

The draw backs are that it's only commonly available from Remington as I don't know if the other big ammo guys load for the RUM, and neither ammo or rifles are exactly cheap.

I've got a custom .416 Remington that I shoot from prone when the mood moves me and can to through a box of 350gr TSX hand loads in a single setting way too fast. If the rifle fits recoil can be managed.
 
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