tips on shooting glocks

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Also try shooting w your left eye completely closed, if you are not doing so already.
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This goes directly against modern dynamic handgunning teaching (which says shoot with both eyes open unless you simply cannot), so can you explain how it would help him?
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Sure. First, if you are cross eye dominant, you will shoot off target. Shooting with one eye closed is the easiest way to eliminate this problem. Second, standard Glock sights have a white dot and white ] shape on the black sites resulting in black-white-black-gap-black-white-black-gap-black-white-black across the middle of the sights. This can get awfully confusing and it can amplify dominance issues between the eyes.

If you are not shooting a Glock well, shoot with one eye to eliminate or minimize the issues above and see if that gets your shots where you want them. If that isolates the problem, work on it until you can shoot "modern dynamic handgun."
 
Rockwell Tactical has*tips*on Glock finger placement.

Thanks, interesting information. When I start to push the trigger (shoot to the left) my natural instinct is less finger, not more. I will have to try it out.

I am sure the experts will disagree with me on this. What works best for me is a hard hold. Mostly with my support hand. When I pick up a Glock I have
to remind myself that its a light gun with a heavy striker. Don’t hold it like a 1911. Hold it like a chainsaw.
 
Thanks, interesting information. When I start to push the trigger (shoot to the left) my natural instinct is less finger, not more. I will have to try it out.

I am sure the experts will disagree with me on this. What works best for me is a hard hold. Mostly with my support hand. When I pick up a Glock I have
to remind myself that its a light gun with a heavy striker. Don’t hold it like a 1911. Hold it like a chainsaw.

Hold it like a chainsaw?

Glocks have a chainsaw-style front handle mounted across the slide for a two-handed grip? :scrutiny:
 
Sure. First, if you are cross eye dominant, you will shoot off target. Shooting with one eye closed is the easiest way to eliminate this problem.
What? Why do you feel that is so? Most shooters who are cross dominant never even realize they're aligning the gun's sights with their dominant eye. It's seamless. It isn't like shooting a rifle or shotgun, where the rear of the gun is anchored to the shooter's strong-side shoulder. The cross-dominant pistol shooter just turns the gun slightly and the sights align perfectly.

I've never heard of a shooter who didn't do that instinctively.

Second, standard Glock sights have a white dot and white ] shape on the black sites resulting in black-white-black-gap-black-white-black-gap-black-white-black across the middle of the sights. This can get awfully confusing
No disagreement there.

If that isolates the problem, work on it until you can shoot "modern dynamic handgun."
I've not run across a cross-dominant shooter who needed coaching to get the gun turned slightly so it aligns with the correct (dominant) eye. New one on me!
 
Im not too bad with revolvers in double action, I have used my 340pd, 686 snub, and a model 29 for bowling pin(all just for fun) and done pretty good shooting them in double action, but that's only 10 yards.





Iv only shot the g34 2 times, 350 rounds each trip. 700 rounds though the g34 and still not used to it. With slow fire, standing, at 15 - 20 yards most of my shots are in the "A" ring of the NRA d1 target. all high and left. most are on the verge of exiting the A ring.





I blacked out the stock Glock sights with a magic marker today, oddly it seems to help somewhat with quicker acquisition. I know a aftermarket trigger setup or connector will help alot, but I cant use that in GSSF, at least not in class In want to try.





I think for me its the combination between the stacking in the stock trigger combined with the over travel and me not able to get a consistent grip on the gun.









pro tip, just drift the sight out and flip it around. First thing I do with glocks until I get real sights. And having a black rear helps immensely in a quick sight acquisition. Sam I believe put it best into words... Your brain tries to "read" the picture in front of you, shifting focus from front to rear. With a black rear, you kind of just see through it onto the front.
 
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What? Why do you feel that is so? Most shooters who are cross dominant never even realize they're aligning the gun's sights with their dominant eye. It's seamless. It isn't like shooting a rifle or shotgun, where the rear of the gun is anchored to the shooter's strong-side shoulder. The cross-dominant pistol shooter just turns the gun slightly and the sights align perfectly.

I've never heard of a shooter who didn't do that instinctively.

I can shoot either way.

I agree that it is not a problem for sports shooting.

However, I choose to use non-dominant eye closed method mostly for problems in field operations that may involve combat:

-Using dominant eye for cross eye dominant shooter would mean more body is exposed from cover.

-Adjusting posture to use dominant eye for a cross eye dominant shooter is minimal for sports shooting. However, it is not so minimal for combat shooting because the posture is more than likely already modifed to adjust for cover, etc.

Moving the gun a little for left or right and turning the head a little to make the sights align with the dominant eye is not much of an issue when in relaxed standing position. But, when the shooter is alreay leaning, compressed, etc. to adjust for cover, lack of space, etc., then it does become an issue. It also falls apart easier when moving.

I am right handed for shooting with right dominant eye. However, I have a cross eye dominant issue when shooting left handed.

When I use my left hand, I sometimes align the pistol to my right eye, just as you said. However, that is only when I am just shooting in a relazed standing position. The reason why I switch to my left hand is to utlize a left edge of a cover. When I start using left edge of a cover, the very awkward and stained feeling, and the double vision of the cover which is even more bother some(since my dominant eye is on the right), nearly immedeately tells me something is wrong.
 
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tips on shooting glocks

Aim strait, squeeze the trigger when the sighs are on the target.

Index and trigger control. Those are the keys to shooting any gun well.

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Using dominant eye for cross eye dominant shooter would mean more body is exposed from cover.
How would this mean more body is exposed from cover, necessarily? Cover happens on either side of the body. You might have to lean either way. An argument can be made that you might choose to switch shoulders in long-gun shooting to take maximum advantage of cover, and I've been trained to do so by several instructors. But with pistols, the required adjustment is so very minor that most folks do it without ever realizing it -- and most observers would never be able to tell that they are doing it. It's a really small adjustment of about 2 degrees of "yaw" in the position of the pistol in the hands.

The adjustment required is far less disruptive to the shooting position than the required extra lean out one must make to shoot around cover on their non-dominant side. (See here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=672216 Compare posts 23 and 25)

So I don't understand your contention here. Or rather, having practiced a lot of cover shooting equally on either side, I've never seen or even imagined such a problem.

Moving the gun a little for left or right and turning the head a little to make the sights align with the dominant eye is not much of an issue when in relaxed standing position. But, when the shooter is alreay leaning, compressed, etc. to adjust for cover, lack of space, etc., then it does become an issue. It also falls apart easier when moving.
That's almost the only kind of shooting I do. Practical, dynamic, match shooting and defensive training. Around cover, on the move, in/under/over obstacles, vehicles, etc. I have relatively little "relaxed standing position" shooting experience, unless you count a few seasons of PPC league a decade ago. So my comments and suggestions come entirely from the point of view of fast-paced, mobile, out-of-position shooting.

Honestly, maybe I need you to explain what changes in body position would be required that would put you more out from behind cover? That's what I just can't see. All you're doing is closing one eye, or not. There really shouldn't be any difference in body position at all.
 
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How would this mean more body is exposed from cover, necessarily? Cover happens on either side of the body. You might have to lean either way. An argument can be made that you might choose to switch shoulders in long-gun shooting to take maximum advantage of cover, and I've been trained to do so by several instructors. But with pistols, the required adjustment is so very minor that most folks do it without ever realizing it -- and most observers would never be able to tell that they are doing it. It's a really small adjustment of about 2 degrees of "yaw" in the position of the pistol in the hands.
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When right eye is exposed with the pistol in right hand, head area containing only one eye needs to be exposed.

When dominant left eye is exposed with the pistol in the right hand, the area of the head containing both eyes must be exposed.

Yes, I may have to lean either way, but it does not change the fact that both eyes area of the face exposed is larger than only one eye area of the face exposed.

When I utlize cover, I make it so that only my one eye and my gun muzzle and some body parts around it that I cannot avoid exposing would be visble.

I can't comment on your use of cover, since I've never seen it, but when I see people in IDPA and IPSC "use cover," my feeling about it is "what cover?"

That is not because IDPA and IPSC shooters are stupid. The reason is simple. It is nearly impossible to win a match utilizing cover to the degree that I do.
 
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When right eye is exposed with the pistol in right hand, head area containing only one eye needs to be exposed.

When dominant left eye is exposed with the pistol in the right hand, the area of the head containing both eyes must be exposed.

Yes, I may have to lean either way, but it does not change the fact that both eyes area of the face exposed is larger than only one eye area of the face exposed.
I totally get that, and agree. My point is this: If you are equally likely to have to use cover on either side, then you are equally likely to have to expose half of your face as you are all of your face -- regardless of which way your eyes and hands agree or disagree.

If a right-handed cross-dominant shooter has to lean LEFT instead of right, then s/he only has to expose the left side of his/her face.

Or, if a left-handed but right-eye dominant shooter has to lean RIGHT instead of left, same thing happens.

Therefore, there is no NET advantage to limiting yourself by closing an eye. You're equally likely to have to lean either way, and so, to have to expose half or all of your head to acquire a firing picture.

In fact, I'm really not sure how closing or not closing the eye changes anything at all. You're STILL using your dominant EYE ... right? :uhoh:


When I utlize cover, I make it so that only my one eye and my gun muzzle and some body parts around it that I cannot avoid exposing would be visble.
Ok, I don't disagree with that at all, though I think you'll find that in practice it isn't quite so cut and dried as all that. It's a fine goal if you have the time to position yourself perfectly, but in a dynamic situation you pie and shoot in, hopefully, a fluid enough motion that you really aren't exposing degree-by-degree. After all, most cover is really concealment only. Just because someone can't clearly see every inch of your face, doesn't mean they can't put bullets through the corner and screw up your day if they can see that you're standing there. Using cover is probably best accomplished -- in the types of situations we appear to be discussing -- with some haste.

I can't comment on your use of cover, since I've never seen it
I provided a link.

...but when I see people in IDPA and IPSC "use cover," my feeling about it is "what cover?"
Well, you won't see anyone in IPSC using cover, because the concept does not exist in that sport. In IDPA, I completely agree. The use of cover is often applied extremely loosely. It should be 1/2 of the upper torso and all legs/feet completely in the shadow of cover -- that's an attainable goal for someone trying to balance staying out of view with getting shots on threats in a timely fashion. Many times in competition it is called far too loosely. We're working on that, but there's miles to go.

But none of that is influenced by whether you close one eye, so the point is rather moot.
 
No worries! It was a funny image in my mind trying to picture how to hold the Glock in a two-handed chainsaw kinda grip!

Hey, belay that talk! Mossberg might hear you and we don't need to be giving them any more ideas... :scrutiny:
 
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If a right-handed cross-dominant shooter has to lean LEFT instead of right, then s/he only has to expose the left side of his/her face.

Or, if a left-handed but right-eye dominant shooter has to lean RIGHT instead of left, same thing happens.

Therefore, there is no NET advantage to limiting yourself by closing an eye. You're equally likely to have to lean either way, and so, to have to expose half or all of your head to acquire a firing picture.

In fact, I'm really not sure how closing or not closing the eye changes anything at all. You're STILL using your dominant EYE ... right?
Oh, that is what is not communicated.

No. I use right eye with right hand, and left eye with left hand.
 
Oh.

You don't change hands when approaching cover with a handgun, do you? So I still don't see why this is an issue. I guess I'm still completely confused.
 
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You don't change hands when approaching cover with a handgun, do you? So I still don't see why this is an issue. I guess I'm still completely confused.

I do change hand if situation allows time for it.

It's the same doctrine as switching side the sholder a rifle stock is on as approaching different side edge of a cover.

Dominant eye is completely irrelevant for this method, since this method cannot always align sights with the dominant eye.

I just looked at the picture on the link you provided, and the way I do it would look like when the cover is not crowded when the shooter is usling the right hand, and when the left hand used, it would look like the mirror image of when the right hand is used.
 
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Stage the first trigger pull; hold the trigger back after the first shot is fired. Slowly release trigger until you feel a "click". Fire from that "reset" position for subsequent shots.

Practice.
 
I do change hand if situation allows time for it.

It's the same doctrine as switching side the sholder a rifle stock is on as approaching different side edge of a cover.
That's an interesting choice, and I think its utility, appropriateness, and application should be explored more fully. However, this isn't the thread for it, so let's not pursue it further here.
 
I've not run across a cross-dominant shooter who needed coaching to get the gun turned slightly so it aligns with the correct (dominant) eye. New one on me!

I used to be one myself, and I ran across another at the range last weekend. I used to have much better vision in my non-dominant eye than my dominant eye, so my point of aim would switches depending on what I exactly I was focusing on. My right eye was dominant at short ranges, my left eye was quasi-dominant at longer ranges. Even if I was trying to focus on the front sight, I'd have to focus on a small bulls-eye to some degree in order to see it so my point of aim would shift. Even though I am right handed, and right eye-dominant, I got my rifle merit badge shooting left handed since that was the only way I could see the target.

Now I wear prescription lenses when shooting which corrects the above. I train without them from time to time- but I keep one eye closed and know that I am shooting minute of man.

The guy at the range last week was cross-eye dominant, I think, he certainly had dominance issues, he was constantly squinting. Even if he tried shooting both eyes open, he was all over the place. When he shot with one eye - his groups tightened up.

After reading the OPs subsequent posts, I doubt that he is an inexperienced shooter. However, when I am working with new shooters I always look at their eyes to see if they are having dominance issues- just after I make sure that their thumb is not behind the slide, and they are gripping the gun correctly.
 
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Ahhh, I see what you're saying. Yes, if you're having trouble consistently "picking" a dominant eye, closing one gets you by.

I prefer a bit of scotch tape or a smudge of vaseline on the non-dominant glasses lens as that keeps the peripheral vision and balance up to par but kills the tendency for that eye to fight for dominance.
 
Worked well enough that I won the first GSSF match I entered, with a 493/500.

I've never seen that kind of scoring at a GSSF match. Usually the lowest time wins. You're shooting against the clock and seconds are added for shots outside the zero zone, misses or penalties.
 
Upgrading the connector to one like a ghost rocket makes all the difference. I don't know anyone who likes factory glock sights. I put a set of ameriglo on mine for around 80$.
You can't use a ghost rocket in a GSSF match, other than sights or Pierce grip extensions, only Glock parts are allowed, unless shooting in the Unlimited division. Then you'll be competing against the shooters with race guns. Good luck with that.
 
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This topic seems to no longer be Tips On Shooting Glock's.
There's nothing much in terms of shooting principles that applies exclusively to Glocks.

I've been shooting one for 4 years, and the only advice I have aside from building on basic pistol shooting skills is to build index finger strength, not particulary because the Glock trigger is heavy, but because the break is more rough than any other striker fired pistols I've shot so more force is required to keep the "break" in control.
 
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