Obama calling for more control

When people are calling for it even here you know there is a storm coming.

And in other news the sky is blue, rain is wet, and 50bmg has more recoil than 22lr.

Obama has almost reached the point of being a lame duck, and will certainly be a lame duck after November. People are not paying particular attention to anything he says anymore.

The problem for gun owners is not Obama, but a shift in sentiment among the general population. I think we're getting close to a tipping point, and this plethora of homicidal incidents, magnified by a willing press, is not helping our side.

Do not smugly assume that the Second Amendment protects us. If public opinion turns overwhelmingly against guns, the Second Amendment can and will be repealed. Look at how quickly public opinion turned on the issue of gay marriage, and on the legalization of marijuana.

I also notice that the Supreme Court has become increasingly reluctant to take on gun cases. Maybe "gun weariness" has set in among the five members of the Court that ruled in the Heller and McDonald cases. Even the Justices are not immune to the pressures of public opinion.

you know, its kinda funny but i finished another AR-15.... nope still hasnt killed anyone

Poor parenting and the huge fat pharmaceutical industry.

hso said:

Rates are all that can be compared with any relevance so our rate being so very high compared to other countries in our socioeconomic standing is what's disturbing. Homicide rates, total, not firearms homicide rates, is more valid than trying to compare firearms rates. Why is American society so violent? Why are our homicide rates so high?

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The answer is not exactly unknown: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Crime_victimology

Homicide rates for vulnerable 10-24 age group (from the Center for Disease Control):


Even though this following graph (from the US Bureau of Justice Statistics) lumps Hispanics in with Whites, the homicide rate among whites is not much different than the European average of 3.2 despite Europe being higher latitude (homicide and crime rates in general correlates inversely with latitude as well).


The rate among white victims is also further elevated by the fact that blacks kill whites much more often than whites kill blacks:

All factors considered, we have a pretty low homicide rate absent these racial factors.

Mike

Seems to me that the rates have either gone down or stayed relatively even based on the graph.
Tell me how many other countries allow 16yo's to drive-

cbfkenaiak said:

Seems to me that the rates have either gone down or stayed relatively even based on the graph.
Tell me how many other countries allow 16yo's to drive-

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Not only are homicide rates down but as another poster pointed out in the last couple days, school homicides and school violence are at all time lows.

Mike

Just looking at this logically it's going to get worse before it gets better. These people who are succeeding in getting guns banned from a dozen restaurant chains aren't helping matters either. It make gun owner look like a bunch of uncaring cowboys.
I was watching Bill Maher at the gym before, "it was on" and he thanked them for dong more for gun control than Obama could.

If more people were willing to deal with the facts in post number 10, we could make some progress here. Simply from a medical care perspective, that has been badly missing.

When we finally become willing to address the culture of different groups, then we can begin to fix these problems.

I also notice that the Supreme Court has become increasingly reluctant to take on gun cases. Maybe "gun weariness" has set in among the five members of the Court that ruled in the Heller and McDonald cases. Even the Justices are not immune to the pressures of public opinion.

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At this point, I'm convinced they accidentally gave us a more favorable ruling than they intended (or rather, the current makeup of the Court feels this way). Not to mention, our side of the issue has so distilled and focused our legal arguments and support (see the "may issue" conflicting circuit court rulings stacked against each other on legal and logical merit, and it is very striking how poorly supported gun law justification is) that any publicly-accountable (by which I mean 'visible') court ruling will be unable to get away with a flagrant miscarriage like DC regarding Mr. Witashek's muzzle loader bullets.

That any SCOTUS case regarding the RKBA would be a foregone conclusion, is actually something of a reason for the courts to resist ruling on it there (and instead let lower courts like the 9th do the job like they are supposed to). The anti's and anti-judges won't force the issue of their restrictions for fear it would be appealed further up and get a less favorable ruling (see again the 9th's ruling on "may issue" not be appealed to SCOTUS)

Obama calling for more control

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Let him. I don't think he could successfully call a cab at this point. We're done listening, let alone "negotiating."

The answer is not exactly unknown

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Knowing crime is commited by black people (which I assume is the thrust of the data) isn't exactly a helpful piece of information, even if it is interesting. We all know our system cannot be made to work legally along racial lines, so going down that road is pointless and fundamentally unconstitutional. When you look at why that particular demographic exhibits such unique criminal representation, you see a whole host of destabilizing factors that insist upon and amplify each other, resulting in an extraordinarily tough nut to crack as far as finding/implementing a 'cure' if there even is one.

I was watching Bill Maher at the gym before, "it was on" and he thanked them for dong more for gun control than Obama could.

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Something tells me that's more of a dig at Obama's ineffectiveness on this issue than a denigration of those rude fools. Even so, look at what the alleged 'bans' in the restaurants actually do vs. the previous arrangement and you'll see the change is laughably insignificant (oh no, they banned them; and the only reason they weren't banned before was because no one had opened carried ever. We didn't carry open there before, and now we can't, and even if we could by law, we wouldn't out of politeness; such an enormous loss ). They got a behavior that wasn't, isn't, and won't ever be socially acceptable banned; big freakin' surprise, and bigger whoop.

TCB

Any Obama speech (guns or not) which distracts the public from the many hidden shortcomings and deceptions of the Afford. Care Act helps him a bit. Talk about guns keeps many of our citizens from using more of their potential for rational thought.

Any momentary shift in the publics' focus away from the Benghazi disaster and the unconscionable long waiting periods in VA hospitals also buys the White House some relief.
"Our" President will need to remain silent on domestic gun control issues just before the November elections.

Make the teachers open carry...LOL

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Makes sense to me:

Well he lies, plain and simple. I'm not sure if it is just raw ignorance or something more sinister than that, though I believe it's the latter and not the former. The thing in the white house is NOT American, that is for certain.

Bushmaster- I'm going to guess the person in that picture is what's commonly called a "madricha" in Israel. They commonly use the M1 Carbine, and are used as escorts for kids groups, and tour groups.


As to the other stuff, if after Newtown with the momentum they had, they didn't get anything passed, they're not going to now. That doesn't mean we can afford to get complacent. We have to keep up the pressure, but I just don't see Obama getting anything done in that arena.

The thing in the white house is NOT American, that is for certain.

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Statements like this discredit those making them. Obama may be many things -- incompetent springs to mind -- but he's not a Muslim Kenyan.

I'd like to see a column added in the OP's spreadsheet:

Billions of rounds fired every year recreationally.

Terry

Let the Panic 3.0 begin...

Relax a little. As I see this they are talking themselves into being ignored by many, even their own supporters at this point. Take for example the commercials that are repeated over and over every time a low budget show is aired all will be largely ignored. He even said this is now a one day news event it seems. What we need is a strong reaction to them at the next few elections.

AlexanderA said:

The problem for gun owners is not Obama, but a shift in sentiment among the general population.

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^^^This. Politicians say what they think their constituents want to hear. Early on in his Presidency, Obama preached more gun control because that's what he thought the majority of Americans wanted to hear. After all the fallout from the proposals of new gun legislation, he quieted down and became silent. Now as rumblings from the general population is now starting to get loud, he is just agreeing with them....not just for his benefit, but for those he may endorse in the future. Politicians are elected by the majority of those that vote, and those folks vote for those that say what they want to hear. How our system has worked since it's inception. Mega Headlines displaying negative images of guns and their owners continuously on the nightly news, is what is going to take our guns away....not Obama.