Second guessing the AR for SD

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Hammer059

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Call me crazy, but here it goes. I know it's a matter of personal opinion but I'm curious to hear what you all think before I sell my M4/6920.

I can't think of a scenario where I'd choose my AR as my weapon for SD.

Indoors I'd want a handgun or shotgun.

Outdoors against one aggressor from 50 yards or less I'd want a shotgun.

Outdoors against multiple aggressors from 50 yards or more I'd want the M1A

I guess there's a part of me that doesn't want me to sell my Colt. But practicality appeals to me, and ugly black plastic rifles don't have a place in my heart like my shotgun and M1A.

Is there something I'm missing here? :banghead:
 
Whatever floats your boat. Not everybody has to ascribe to the notion that the AR is the ultimate, perfect, do all machine out there.

Use whatever you feel comfortable with.
 
I won't use my AR for HD. I'd use one of my pistols first. I'm surrounded by my neighbors and actually like a few of them.

I'd keep the AR though, unless you need cash now.
 
It's a great rifle, there's no denying it. I just don't really see a role for it to fill between a Glock 17, 590A1, and M1A. Plus IMO the M1A is a gorgeous rifle.

Even without the M1A, idk. I just don't see myself ever needing it. If I ever have to defend myself against multiple opponents outdoors within 75 yards… I'm not gonna make it out alive, anyway.
 
Sell it and do what? It all depends on where you feel you'll be when an "aggressor" type situation happens. Currently, your rifle will suffice in all three of your scenarios, but if you choose a handgun or a shotgun, you're run the risk of being "under protected" in two out of three cases. Or maybe just one ... hard to tell.

If I could conceal it, I would really carry my M1A, but since I can't I carry a handgun. Everything is a compromise and what you have to do is decide how best to mitigate all the "bad" and enhance all the "good".
 
Why wouldnt you use the AR in the house? Why not outside under 50 yards?


Outside of shooting from inside a car I cant think of a single situation where Id want a handgun over an AR15, or really any like rifle/carbine.

You know with appropriate ammo selection handguns usually penetrate more building material than a .223 right?
 
If I ever have to defend myself against multiple opponents outdoors within 75 yards… I'm not gonna make it out alive, anyway.

Really depends on the situation. Gunfights are not preset with rules. No one automatically wins because of numbers, training, or equipment.
 
C-grunt:

I wouldn't use it in the house because I'd simply prefer a 9-shot pump action 12 gauge, or even a handgun if I would need to be opening/closing doors, turning on/off lights, grabbing my dog, bracing myself etc. That's one thing I'm absolutely sure about.

Like I said, the only time I'd use it for SD would be outdoors, in which case I'd rather have my shotgun or M1A. Plus, having to defend myself outdoors is a bit of a stretch anyway unless we're hypothesizing about a SHTF type situation.
 
opening/closing doors, turning on/off lights, grabbing my dog, bracing myself etc

all done much easier with an AR than a pump action shotgun.

but whatever floats your boat...
 
sounds like your mind is made up then. sell it and move on. there's no golden rule that you must own an AR.
 
Have you tried those things with a good sling setup?

Like I said before, there are VERY few situations where I would take a handgun over a carbine. Having seen many many people shot over the years as an Infantryman and a beat cop I can assure you the difference of effectiveness between the two is tremendous.
 
With the AR in 5.56 mm you get rifle caliber terminal effects without the over penetration issues you would have with your M1A or a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot or larger or slugs or even with most handgun rounds. This is a known fact, despite a lot of internet buzz and unscientific youtube penetration tests.

Now I'm not saying that you won't see collateral damage if your home defense scenario looks like a shootout in a John Woo movie. But who is going to spray dozens to hundreds of rounds in a home defense scenario anyway? Sure the 5.56 rounds penetrate but they they usually fragment and lose enough energy that they aren't necessarily lethal. But then agian the idea is not to miss.

The downside is that you have to have some training to effectively move in a close environment like your home, but that applies to all long guns including a riot gun.

There are many things in home defense more important then your choice of firearm. When it comes down to choosing your "go to" weapon, pick the one that you shoot the best and handle the best. Don't worry about what is optimum. I can't think of a home defense situation where the gun the homeowner used made a difference in the outcome.

If you are using home defense as the only criteria for having the 6920 and you aren't comfortable using it in that role, then it is in fact surplus to you and you would be better served by selling it and investing the proceeds in training and practice ammunition for the weapon you do intend on using.

If you aren't confident or happy with the AR for whatever reason, I doubt that anyone here is going to convince you that you should keep it. It's all personal choice.

My 6920 is my "go to" in the house. Here's why:

1. It's the platform that I have the most experience with. I was issued my first M16 in December of 1974 and I have carried one in one form or another ever since. First as an Army Infantryman and then in my patrol car as a police officer. I have more formal training on that platform then any other. I've trained with Jim Crews, Pat Rogers 5 times and numerous LE tactical and patrol rifle courses. I can handle it better then any other firearm I own. I teach tactical and patrol rifle classes.

I've had plenty of handgun training and even shotgun training with the late Louis Awerbuck, but the AR is the weapon I have the most experience with.

2. I am confident in it's ability to stop a suspect and the M193 ammunition I use not to be a huge danger to anyone not in the house should I miss.

Those are my reasons for choosing the AR. Frankly if it wasn't the weapon I am most unconsciously competent with, I probably would have a different weapon as my "go to". But that doesn't mean I would recommend it to you or anyone else. I believe that one should choose the weapon he knows best for defensive use.
 
Well put. Home defense isn't my only criteria, since I never really got it with the idea of using it for home defense anyway. It was more of an outdoors SHTF rifle, and I don't need to worry as much about over penetration if I'm outdoors anyway, hence I'm leaning towards the .308.

For the record, I'm well aware that my 55gr rounds will penetrate less indoors than buckshot and handgun rounds. I'm not one of "those" people, and I never cited that as a reason for not wanting to use an AR indoors for home-defense.

I really haven't made up my mind, I just think the chances of me ever needing to defend myself outdoors from multiple "aggressors" is pretty slim. There are some guns that I would never use for SD but would never sell because I love shooting them so much. An AR isn't something I thoroughly enjoy shooting, even though I'm competent with it.
 
I think I'll hang onto it. Even though it might not have a specific role, I feel like it's just too efficient of a weapon for me to let go of. Plus I got an awesome deal on it.

If I had deeper pockets I wouldn't mind hanging onto it as much. But I'm on a college student budget so it really makes me think about my priorities for firearms.

Thanks for the responses everyone
 
Load your AR with some 50gr hp's or varmint tips. 30rd mag of low penetration/high velocity rounds beat a handgun or shotgun anyday. If anything, you run the risk of harming neighbors MORE with the shotty/pistol. Plus, AR is easier to make hits with, easier to maneuver than the shotty, easier to use one handed, easier to make follow up shots, easier to clear/unload and can make shots from point blank out to 300m. I use my AR loaded with 50gr poly tipped varmint rounds as my nightstand coyote/SD/farm rifle.

Aside from simple personal preference, there is no tangible reason/benefit to use a shotgun over an AR where legally able to do so.
 
i can't see a self defense scenario, in-home, where my ar15 is not a top choice. 30 rounds, incredibly reliable if kept clean, deadly and the round it fires is the choice of our military, the best military.
 
I won't use my AR for HD. I'd use one of my pistols first. I'm surrounded by my neighbors and actually like a few of them.

A properly-chosen 5.56mm round is less-likely to over-penetrate than 9mm or buckshot. That said, I still prefer a pistol for HD, even though is is less ideal from a ballistic standpoint. For one thing, it is less likely to deafen me when fired indoors. In a dark environment, the sense of hearing is one I'd prefer not to give up.
 
It is interesting in that I think of the situation almost opposite of how you have framed it. You have reluctantly decided to keep it even though you can't think of a specific purpose for it. Conversely you named three other weapons platforms that you have specific purposes in mind for (granted I argue the AR15 does every single one of them better). The reality of an SD situation is that the bad guys are not going to give you formal prior notice of the terms in which you may have to engage them. An indoor defense situation might spill to the lawn and it may extend past 50 yds at that point (granted you might have some explaining to do). In that scenario, if you grabbed the pistol you might find yourself poorly equipped. The opposite but also unlikely scenario is that some engagement over 50yds ends up indoors in which case I would not want to be running around the hallways with an M1A.

So instead of having tons of weapons with mentally compartmentalized boutique niches and the odds that there is a good chance you'll have the wrong gun at the wrong time, I'd rather have one weapon that excelled at all of the above. In that situation, if I were financially strained, the AR15 would be the last gun of those mentioned that I'd be looking at getting rid of. It does it all well.
 
Your logic is flawed. You are making decisions based on aesthetics rather than rational thought.

Indoors I prefer a handgun most of the time simply because it can be used with one hand and is easier to have accessable. If there is time to prepare for an aggressive threat then holding up in a room and waiting for LE with a long gun might be an option.

I can't think of a single advantage a shotgun offers over an AR indoors if you want to use a long gun. The AR has about 1/6 the recoil, is lighter, more compact, less likely to overpenetrate, just as deadly and offers up to 6X more ammo capacity. At indoor ranges the shotguns only advantage, a wide pattern making hits easier, is negated.

The shotguns only advantage is outdoors at ranges from 15-50 yards and against multiple aggressors, not a single aggressor.

Outdoors at ranges greater than 50 yards a rifle is the clear winner and I guess it does come down to personal preference in this scenario. I'd still pick the 223 over a 308 for multiple reasons.
 
Another practical point is that right now is a very bad time to be selling ARs. New rifles are going for under $600, used are even worse.

I've thought of selling mine, but just coated it with Boeshield T9 and wrapped it in VCI plastic and sealed it away.

Prices will go up or I'll get interested in it again in a few years.

BSW
 
I've never owned an AR. I guess I've owned just about everything else though. SD in your home is a pistol proposition for sure. Outside take your pick. I have an M1 carbine that I feel will do the job.

Lots of interesting firearms out there for SD. An AR is just another small caliber rifle to me with no special application other than maybe a varmint rifle or range plinker. You can't use it in some states as a deer rifle because of caliber restrictions.

I have my Nomex suit on now.
 
Oh god. Why are people hung up on the penetration issue as if I'm one of the fools who thinks 5.56 overpenetrates. I never said that, and I never even cited penetration as a concern.

This was really meant to be about outdoors anyway. Some of you have made very valid points regarding using an AR indoors. But please, lay off the penetration aspect. I already know that and it's not a factor for me.
 
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