Cnn town hall with potus live now.

Ignition Override said:

For a short while, it must have helped CNN ratings climb above Fox News ratings. CNN is not as desperate as MSNBC, "the prison show network".

At least our well-informed leader had been advised to accept questions and expose his typical ignorance and intentional disinformation about facts regarding any gun issues.

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I'm hoping that the talk shows hit this hard on Friday and over the weekend. Obama clearly looked like he was going through the motions and showed on so many occasions he doesn't know any of the issues about guns and gun laws.

But with our luck, North Korea will test another nuke and the ADHD media will focus on that.

I heard Anderson Cooper did a good turn as the devil's advocate. May have to watch this one.

Did anyone ask POTUS why he took down the hickok45 Youtube channel?

The addition of 200 new employees is interesting- that works out to about 4 new employees per State if my cyphering is correct?

Also, the continued comments about how what happens in Chicago happens all over the Country- I find life in Wichita vastly different from what I hear about Chicago... But then this is middleAmerica, a flyover section of the Country, where, I suppose we are among those clinging to guns and religion in some peoples thinking

3.5 per state. Remember there are 57 states.

The biggest surprise of the night is that I'm impressed how dual-sided CNN made the town hall group and this after-debate.

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Surprised me too. I'll even commend Anderson Cooper for trying to get in followup questions during the Obama fillibuster monalog that rambled all over the place without actually saying anything.

Obama looked ill informed, ignorant, and foolish. Every question from a pro-gun person was ignored and followed by a bunch of incoherent rambling that had nothing to do with the questions. The only ting he did well waspat himself on the back every time some ignorant worshipper praised him.

The one thing he has never learned is that you don't convert anybody by mocking and ridiculing those who don't agree with you. That only cements them further in their position.

He talked a lot but didn't really say anything. It can easily be summed up in a couple of sentences. "The Constitutional limits my ability to make guns significantly more difficult to purchase from dealers, so I am going to call every individual who tries to sell a gun "a dealer" so that it becomes difficult for an individual to sell or trade." "People who sell guns to children in Chacago on the black market will now have to get an FFL." "If you like your guns, you can keep your guns. I'm not going to take them. I promise. "

3.5 per state. Remember there are 57 states.

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LOL!

Of course these are just people who will be auditing dealers books, not actually looking for criminals or prosecuting all those supposed "felons" who failed a NICS check.

I heard he accused the NRA of Grand Standing and misleading the American Public.

This is the guy who hauled little kids on stage 3 years ago as emotional props when he was trying to push his anti-gun agenda.

How many times has the Executive Branch mislead Americans during Obama's tenure?

2. Obama thinks that there are windowless vans that drive from Chicago to Indiana gun shows and load up with guns that were sold by private sellers with no background checks to Chicago gangbangers who use them to do their shootings.

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But they do, and get caught... Although not exactly a stiff penalty for such an act.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/subur...un-shows-sentence-st-1003-20151002-story.html

Chicago man will serve more than three years in prison after he pleaded guilty to helping buy 43 guns at shows in Crown Point and Indianapolis so they could then be sold to gang members in Chicago.

A federal judge sentenced Winston Geralds, 25, to three years and one month in prison during a sentencing hearing Thursday at the U.S. District Court in Chicago.

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Didn't the cop who sold the one Glock to his legal possessor brother via straw purchase get five years? Sheesh, if we ever want to talk about institutional double standards or prejudice...

TCB

i watched the entire show. After the presidents town hall meeting there was a panel. The older bald guy on the right is a staunch supporter of our gun rights except for one thing. Hes in favor of universal background checks as are several other members of the panel.

Many polls show 80-90 percent of US voters want universal background checks. Most gun owners and many NRA members want universal background checks. i don't want universal background checks but they are coming: Perhaps this year.

alsaqr said:

i watched the entire show. After the presidents town hall meeting there was a panel. The older bald guy on the right is a staunch supporter of our gun rights except for one thing. Hes in favor of universal background checks as are several other members of the panel.

Many polls show 80-90 percent of US voters want universal background checks. Most gun owners and many NRA members want universal background checks. i don't want universal background checks but they are coming: Perhaps this year.

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Most gun owners do not want universal background checks.

They are coming this year just as much as they were coming in 2013.

I like Kelly comments about the volume of firearms in circulation and how the government could logistically "come and take them" He seemed to make a joke of it. Antis know they don't have to physically come and take it. All they have to do is ban them so they never see the light of day again. Not so funny now..

I like Kelly comments about the volume of firearms in circulation and how the government could logistically "come and take them" He seemed to make a joke of it. Antis know they don't have to physically come and take it. All they have to do is ban them so they never see the light of day again. Not so funny now..

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That's a pretty good indication that they've certainly thought heavily about how they could do it. Obama actually used the word "incrementally" which pretty well sums up how we lost all these rights, and how we can get them back.

Did he try to backpedal on his endorsement of Australian type gun confiscation?


OBAMA:

What I've said consistently throughout my presidency is I respect the Second Amendment, I respect the right to bear arms. I respect people who want a gun for self-protection, for hunting, for sportsmanship.

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He ought to realize that genuine respect means understanding and accepting the fundamental purpose and principal intent of the Second Amendment.

The most disconcerting form of ignorance is when it is willful. We seem to be living in a culture that condones it more and more.

Ignorance is part and parcel of being human, we always know less than we think we know, but it is our job as human beings to reduce ordinary ignorance, eliminate willful ignorance, and aspire to higher ignorance as much as possible.

yokel said:

Did he try to backpedal on his endorsement of Australian type gun confiscation?


OBAMA:

He ought to realize that genuine respect means understanding and accepting the fundamental purpose and principal intent of the Second Amendment.

The most disconcerting form of ignorance is when it is willful. We seem to be living in a culture that condones it more and more.

Ignorance is part and parcel of being human, we always know less than we think we know, but it is our job as human beings to reduce ordinary ignorance, eliminate willful ignorance, and aspire to higher ignorance as much as possible.

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*emphasis is mine*

Throughout the whole Q/A session, I just wanted someone to ask "Do you know precisely WHY the 2nd amendment was included in the Bill of Rights???". Although, I'm sure he would skirt the question "uh, ummm, uh, well Americans, see Americans have a long, uh, uh, uh, tradition of, um.... I met a husband and wife... on the campaign, uh, trail and they were, um... they had concerns, uh, that I was going to take away their, uh.... uh, guns, and ...".

I had no more reason to watch that than I would to watch a homeless guy lick a restaurant window...

He does not respect the right to bear arms, or else he wouldn't constantly be pounding out executive actions against it, and he wouldn't constantly insult the people who disagree with his actions. Constantly wagging his finger at the NRA proves that he sees his way as the only way.

elano said:

3.5 per state. Remember there are 57 states.

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58. See my sig.

Warp said:

Most gun owners do not want universal background checks.

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How do you know this?

ShooterMcGavin said:

*emphasis is mine*

Throughout the whole Q/A session, I just wanted someone to ask "Do you know precisely WHY the 2nd amendment was included in the Bill of Rights???". Although, I'm sure he would skirt the question "uh, ummm, uh, well Americans, see Americans have a long, uh, uh, uh, tradition of, um.... I met a husband and wife... on the campaign, uh, trail and they were, um... they had concerns, uh, that I was going to take away their, uh.... uh, guns, and ...".

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If you asked a lot of people "precisely" why the 2nd amendment was included in the Bill of Rights, you'd get a lot stammering, and conflicting answers. Historians debate about it sometimes, even.

HOOfan_1 said:

He does not respect the right to bear arms, or else he wouldn't constantly be shoot out executive actions against it, and he wouldn't constantly insult the people who disagree with his actions. Constantly wagging his finger at the NRA proves that he sees his way as the only way.

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I guess I don't see his executive actions as being "against the right to bear arms" but can you explain why you feel they were?

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I guess I don't see his executive actions as being "against the right to bear arms" but can you explain why you feel they were?

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How about trying to make those who collect Social Security and have designated a person to handle their finances as restricted persons?

You don't see that as a violation of those people's rights to bear arms?

I guess I don't see his executive actions as being "against the right to bear arms" but can you explain why you feel they were?

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Stripping people of their rights for medical reasons doesn't seem like a violation to you?

I guess I don't see his executive actions as being "against the right to bear arms" but can you explain why you feel they were?

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I (and a lot of other people) see them mostly as a deceitful attempt to pass off existing law as something new, in a doomed attempt to:

1. gull the stupid in his base into believing that he's actually doing something when in fact, he's been defeated by the forces of individual rights.
2. create in what he contemptuously considers a gullible public, the impression of forward movement in the process of converting the RIGHT to keep and bear arms into a politically dispensed privilege.

But hey, the Japanese hailed their great "victory" at Midway too...

Stripping people of their rights for medical reasons doesn't seem like a violation to you?

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Do a bit of research into the history of psychiatry in the Soviet Union and you'll see where he's headed with this...

Did he try to backpedal on his endorsement of Australian type gun confiscation?

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Not really. I think I still heard mention of the Australian ban in one answer and he definitely talked about the Chinese guy stabbing kids with a knife being a "better" outcome than the Newtown shooter. President Obama stated that "we can't go as far as Australia RIGHT NOW because of 2nd Amendment blah blah" and I was disappointed that someone, either Cooper or another questioner, didn't point out that although he recognizes he couldn't go that far, such references reinforce the fears that he'd like to ban guns if he thought he could get away with it. Someone needs to ask him the "Feinstein" question; Mr. President, if you could in your ideal world, would you tell Mr. and Mrs. to "turn them all in."?