Ultimate 9mm

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since this does not seem to be a thought exercise, which many of us love anyway, and your really looking for something like this, and questioning why a manufacture has not been interested, theres a really simple answer. There are widely available short recoil 9mm pistols with slide mounted sites, and steel frames that exceed the accuracy of any 9mm ammunition. By that I mean, a tuned out p35, 1911, or so on will shoot just as well as a 10' test fixture with a sliding block lockup. The ammunition itself becomes the weak link at that point.
 
beag_nut said:
Too bad my dad had one, then sold it, about 60 years ago. I got to fire it once, though.
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My great uncle (and my namesake) acquired one from a German officer in Europe during his tour of France and Belgium with Patton. He said he "slept many nights with it in his hand".
Unfortunately, it too was sold. I hope it's new owner knows where it's been.
 
ny32182 said:
9mm single stack 1911 with frame mounted optic meets all the requirements, unless irons is a non-stated requirement.
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Can you show us a pic of a 1911, where the iron sights are on the frame, and not the slide?
 
beag_nut said:
I'm looking for an "ultimate" 9mm target pistol, semi-auto. The requirements: Must be 9mm Luger, the sights must be fixed to the frame and not any moving component (like the slide), sights must be adjustable, the slide and frame must be some type of steel (no aluminum or plastic), the magazine must be 10 rounds or less, cannot be a "bullpup" style.
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MAC-10 with adjustable sights and a 10-round mag meets all of your criteria. (OK, there is no "slide". But that keeps your sights stationary).

Kind of like a pistol version of this:

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mjsdwash said:
...There are widely available short recoil 9mm pistols with slide mounted sites, and steel frames that exceed the accuracy of any 9mm ammunition. By that I mean, a tuned out p35, 1911, or so on will shoot just as well as a 10' test fixture with a sliding block lockup. The ammunition itself becomes the weak link at that point.
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This is where I'm at. Even if a high quality 9mm target pistol was designed to these specs, it couldn't shoot better than the accuracy potential of the ammo. So, if a really good P210, 1911, CZ75 etc can already get there...there would be no point.

So, chamber it in a wildcat caliber with better accuracy potential than 9mm while your at it! :thumbup:
 
beag_nut said:
I'm looking for an "ultimate" 9mm target pistol, semi-auto. The requirements: Must be 9mm Luger, the sights must be fixed to the frame and not any moving component (like the slide), sights must be adjustable, the slide and frame must be some type of steel (no aluminum or plastic), the magazine must be 10 rounds or less, cannot be a "bullpup" style. I'm thinking of a Ruger Mark series-type, in 9mm. Does this bring anything to mind? Even if it's an Olympic-quality handgun?

I did a bunch of online searches but did not find anything commercially available, which fill all the requirements.
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Well, let's see, we'll read it together, shall we?
"I'm looking for an "ultimate" 9mm target pistol,"

That seventh word there, in red, I don't have my glasses on, can you help me, what does it say?
 
I think the point is that the criteria the OP posted would hardly lead to the ultimate target pistol. The MAC-10 offers a (funny IMO) illustration that those characteristics don't go anywhere particularly great.
 
Danoobie said:
Well, let's see, we'll read it together, shall we...
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And when asked for clarification, the OP seems to have dropped the "target" criteria. Hence the quote above. Maybe the OP isn't sure what he wants. Either way, it's an interesting set of features to hope for.

And just for you, remove the stock and you're there - see below.

(Although looking at it now, it seems like it would be a very awkward pistol, target or otherwise).

:)

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Thanks all for your thoughts. Looks like I will not find what I want. Perhaps the 9mm cartridge just doesn't have the potential. Was a dream, nevertheless.
 
Perhaps you do not understand that arbitrary internet gamester design features do not define the available performance.
There was a recent test of aftermarket Glock barrels that showed some ammo to be MORE accurate in the pistol than in a single shot testbed.
 
Had you considered a Pistol Caliber Carbine? There are a couple good ones,
sights problem solved, although you may need to look around to find something all
steel.

The 9mm, within it's range, has great potential. It is an effective and efficient caliber.
The CX4 Storm is compact and lightweight, and shares mags with a PX4 or
92FS, at your option. But it's plastic, to save weight. (sorry)
 
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Throw out your requirements for 'frame mounted sights'. Get a Sig 210 target model. Call it done.
 
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