Friend wants to give me a gun, but...

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Cos I am honestly thankful for your concern. I'm not discounting anything your saying. This may just be a gun that sits in my safe forever. Thank you for the advice.
 
coswabbit said:
Might ask your nice lawyer, not your gun guy, what happens when you personally hand a gun to a nice PD to have it checked in NCIC's database and it comes up stolen with your fingerprints all over it...

hummm...NV 202.254 comes to mind
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coswabbit,

Your comments are simply over the top for most States. I assume that you never buy, trade or possess a used firearm.

E.D.P.

All having the police run a check on the serial number means is that the serial number has not been entered into the system at the time the check is made. It does not mean the gun is not stolen.

Consider this. Many THR members own more than one firearm. There are probably many that own multiple firearms. With multiple firearms this most likely means some of them are not shot very often and are largely forgot about laying in the back of the safe until we remember it and decide to shoot it.

So two years from now our THR member reads a thread about a particular gun similar to what he owns and he decides to get it out of the safe and go shoot it. However when he checks his safe the gun is missing. As best as he can remember he last saw the gun in 2016 so sometime after that the gun was stolen. Since he just discovered the gun is missing he nows reports it stolen (year 2020) and the serial number gets entered into the system. So you unknowingly have possessed a stolen gun for two years.

The only way you and anyone else can be sure their firearms are not stolen is to have the Police run the serial numbers on a regular bases (for example every 6 months or once year). Obviously this is not practical.

Given your concern about the gun I don't believe you will ever really enjoy owning it. I would return it to your friend with a thank you, tell him you don't want such a expensive gift and just buy you a box of ammunition instead.
 
Your completely right BSA,
I just had a long conversation "with a buddy" who is an "officer" and he explained about 20 cenarios in which this could burn me. So I am giving the gun back. It's not worth the problems. I would really like to thank you all for your advice. I am going to pursue a new gun
 
I guess this is one of the few advantages of living in IL where you have to have a permit to even own and purchase firearms. There is a very clear procedure to follow to transfer a firearm from one private owner to another. But the state police have all firearm owners information and 'approve' the parties for the transfer. Simply enter your (buyer) FOID (Firearm Owners ID) number at the state website, and they will send you the forms to complete or you can just complete online.

Is there not a procedure in your state (NV?) for such a transfer?? Seems like there has to be an easy solution here...
 
They got rid of registration and blue cards, things have changed a lot here. I'm still trying to figure it all out. Seems like the state took control and now things are really difficult.
 
The idea of getting busted over the gun being stolen is absurd. The OP is at least twice removed from that. As I said before tho, the problem I would have is that the gun was not really the gifter's to give. I've lent guns to friends that have kept them for years(deer rifles, shotguns). While those guns are not upper tier or worth tons of monies, I would certainly be upset if they gave them away or sold them. I might even consider them stolen if done so. I don't know the situation of the gifter or the person that left the gun in the gifter's possession. I do know that I myself, would not gift something that belonged to someone else, without that others person's permission. Ain't much of a gift if it's not really yours in the first place. There's a lotta greed when it comes to firearms, both with possession and obtaining them. Sometimes the idea of obtaining them is stronger than what's right, legally or morally. What good is a bill of sale from someone who does not own the property in the first place?

Few years back I worked with a guy who used to drive truck cross country. One night at a truck-stop in Montana, he found a Ruger 9mm laying on the ground in the parking lot. When CWC became legal here in Wisconsin back in 2011, he asked me about what he had to do to get a license. Not being much of a gun guy, he also asked about the risk of using that "found" gun as his EDC. The idea that the gun was either stolen or used in a crime and then "thrown away" was his biggest concern. I asked the local Police Captain(friend of mine) about running a stolen gun check on the serial number and he told me they don't/won't do that for the general public. He also told me that the risk of being charged/associated with a crime from the found gun, other than what he did personally did, was nil. He also said if the person was really concerned it could be taken to the police station as a found gun, where the numbers would be run and if the gun was not stolen, and not claimed after a period of time, the gun would then be his legally.

Sorry, the gifter might be a good guy, but gifting a gun that still belongs to someone else is not the same as a widow gifting a gun that belonged to her now dead husband.

JMTCs.
 
I agree, I'm returning it today. My mind has been at ease since explaining to my friend that I can't accept the gift. The gun will be back in his safe later today
 
coswabbit said:
over the top...quite laughable, honestly...
bsa1, et al., for your reading pleasure:
1. https://www.atf.gov/file/11241/download
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This set of regulations is 237 pages long.:eek:

coswabbit said:
e.d.p, please look at nevada's statutes, particular the statutes i mentioned previously...
2. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/state-laws-and-published-ordinances-firearms-32nd-edition
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This set is 17 pages long.:(

I have no idea what your point is. Posting links to regulations does not explain your position.:confused:

I assume I am correct that you do not buy, own or possess any used firearms as they may be stolen. In fact any new firearms you own or possess may also be stolen somewhere after being manufactured and sold to a unsuspecting dealer who thought he was buying from a legal distributer or another dealer.:uhoh:

On the other hand just because someone is paranoid doesn't mean there is not someone out there trying to get them.;)
 
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I agree go the FFL route if your friend is not willing then be leery of the whole deal no matter how much you would like to have it don't do it. If it was used in a crime was stolen you will have a lot of explaining to do if found in your possession you may even have to hire a lawyer to keep you out of jail If your friend is willing to do it the right way then go for it.
 
ourway77 said:
I agree go the FFL route if your friend is not willing then be leery of the whole deal no matter how much you would like to have it don't do it. If it was used in a crime was stolen you will have a lot of explaining to do if found in your possession you may even have to hire a lawyer to keep you out of jail If your friend is willing to do it the right way then go for it.
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It's already been pointed out that doing the transfer via FFL won't necessarily help him determine if the gun is stolen or not. "Doing it the right way" could mean any number of things, including his friend simply handing him the gun and calling it his.
 
I took the gun back to my friend last weekend. It's sitting in his safe now :thumbup:. Thanks again for all the advice everybody.
 
Seriously? I spent over 20 years in NV. I really don't get all of this paranoia. I sold guns at my garage sale - cash, smile, exchange........NO issues - ever.
 
E.D.P said:
This year the laws changed its not as loose as it use to be here :thumbup:.
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Last I heard, the registrations in Vegas went away......northern NV was never an issue; paper used to run gun ads; Reno has a big gun show that always attracted a lot of Californians - both buying and selling.

I was floored, it's a beautiful gun but I'm not sure about the backstory on the gun. He said his friend left it with him 5 years ago and never came back for it, he found out his friend left the country. I haven't brought the gun home yet, but what do I do, do I go to PD to make sure the gun is not reported stolen? Can they do that at a gun store? I really want to accept this gun but I don't want to make a bad decision. My friend is very trustworthy but I'm not sure it's worth me having to explain to PD that my friend has the gun if it's been reported stolen. Any advice?
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Over 5 years ago? So what...........sorry, you're making much ado about nothing
 
E.D.P said:
I took the gun back to my friend last weekend. It's sitting in his safe now :thumbup:.
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I’m sad. I’m sad that we, as a society have gotten to the point where a friend can’t give us a gift without worrying us to death.

EDP I guess giving it back is the right thing for you to do. If this gift is giving you such angst, it probably isn’t worth it. After all its just a gun.
 
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