Donor Uprising at the NRA?

Speedo66 · Jul 3, 2019

One of the larger donors to the NRA is upset about the negative press the NRA has been getting, and is calling for a boycott of large donations to the NRA until it straightens itself out. He says he has other large donors who are on board with him with this idea.

He's asking for LaPierre and his top people to step down for the sake of the organization, to be replaced by Chris Cox.. He says he has nothing against LaPierre, but he is "radioactive" at this time and that's hurting the NRA.

"David Dell’Aquila, the restive donor, said the N.R.A.’s internal warfare “has become a daily soap opera and it’s decaying and destroying the N.R.A. from within, and it needs to stop.” He added, “Even if these allegations regarding Mr. LaPierre and his leadership are false, he has become radioactive and must step down.” He also wants more financial transparency and for board members to stop getting consultancy fees.

He's requesting changes in the number of board members, from 76 to 30, and says there are people who would do the job for free. He also suggests other cost cutting measures, such as holding board meetings in central locations as opposed to the plan to hold the next one in Alaska.

Here's the article: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/02/...ml?action=click&module=Latest&pgtype=Homepage

<*(((>< · Jul 3, 2019

With WLP love him or hate him it doesn’t matter, the cause is much bigger than one person. If a person heading a cause they need to recognize a point at which they are ineffective whether it is of their own actions or not. I would agree with the donor WLP is radioactive, he needs to step down for the sake of the organization.

Also the measures David suggests changing about the board and transparency need to be taken into account as well.

mcb · Jul 3, 2019

I can't support bringing Cox back any more than I can support WLP. I have nothing specific against Cox other than his complicity to the ongoing scandel until it became public through other channels. We need new leadership across the board.

The Evangelist Cowboy · Jul 3, 2019

The entire organization needs to be disbanded. There are other groups that run no compromise lawsuits that support the entirety of the 2nd amendment beyond just guns. GOA, SAF, Knife Rights to name a few.

Wisco · Jul 3, 2019

New leadership, now. There’s no time to dally with 2020 bearing down.

There are many qualified people to step into the void that Lapierre should be leaving.

I like solutions and not just complaints, so I’d say Allen West. Not that I’m in lockstep with his politics, but he’s a suitable replacement for Lapierre. I don’t, however, think he’s palatable to the entire NRA base due to his skin color.

Tommygunn · Jul 3, 2019

Wayne LaPierre may be radioactive, for sure. Unfortunatly, cockroaches are immune to radioactivity. :what:

This N.R.A. scandal happens at a horrible time given the political landscape, an election looming in 16 months, the rise of ..... :scrutiny:

...."democatic" socialism, many lefties promoting increasing antigun laws .....

The N. R. A. needs a clean sweep of its top tier cockroach crowd. All new leadership, fresh faces.

In the past I have not minded it's foray into side issues as I tended to be in agreement, but many here object to that. I've come to the belief that those here who wanted the organization to stay on gun rights issues and NOT stray or comment on other social values are correct. I'm not as concerned that this may drive away progun people who are otherwise liberals, but they have an enormous job ahead and need to put all their energies into that. If it stops disaffecting those said liberas or others, so much the better.

GEM · Jul 3, 2019

Can we please not make this a repetition of the past threads? Discuss new reports. NO posting images of NRA programs, etc. We get that.

No personal attacks on motivations. Otherwise, this will get shut and penalty points, especially if you get personal.

bassjam · Jul 3, 2019

This is how it starts. A handful of us small members complaining online and withholding an extra $50 a year doesn't do much to force change. But now that some prominent members have decided to lead the charge, hopefully this movement will start to get momentum. The timing is unfortunate, and I don't see a resolution happening before the 2020 election, but it's still exciting to see more and more people realizing that the NRA is long overdue for fresh leadership.

Let's Drain the Swamp

doubleh · Jul 3, 2019

I agree the NRA thing is a big mess and needs to be straightened out and quickly. The fact remains that without the NRA we are in a world of hurt. It's the only gun rights organization the politicians have any fear of at all. There are others out there of course wanting your money but honestly, how often do you hear them mentioned by the antis? Never because they have no fear of them. They are small, fringe organizations compared to the NRA and have no clout in the political or legal world.

AlexanderA · Jul 3, 2019

There's still a good chance WLP survives this. He's been preparing for years for something like this, and if if there's one thing he's good at, it's organizational infighting. And putting Chris Cox in charge would just be exchanging one corrupt figure for another. And there are members that would stick with WLP no matter what.

PWC · Jul 3, 2019

Dig up Charlton Heston and put some skin on his bones.

GEM · Jul 3, 2019

We are starting to go off into the general NRA version of the Albigensian Heresy and Crusade or a dualistic view of the NRA as spoke by a gun toting Zoroaster. How about we don't go there, yet again.

Got some new info from new players on how they are reacting to the crisis? We know already who thinks the NRA current leadership is the avatar of Angra Mainyu vs. the saintly nature of Ahura Mazda. Took comparative religion in college. It has some uses.

But my point is, let's stay to the point.

berettaprofessor · Jul 3, 2019

A handful of us small members complaining online and withholding an extra $50 a year doesn't do much to force change.

Yeah, and we Life Members can't affect it at all except that they won't see any NRA-ILA donations or "advanced" memberships from those who choose not to contribute what they normally would.

ATLDave · Jul 3, 2019

doubleh said:
It's the only gun rights organization the politicians have any fear of at all.

The NRA blew that over the last ~4 years. For Democrats, at least, there is absolutely nothing to be gained from the NRA - they will support an objectively less-pro-gun GOP person in the general, and an NRA endorsement is the kiss of death in most Democratic primaries these days.

DeepSouth · Jul 3, 2019

The Evangelist Cowboy said:
The entire organization needs to be disbanded. There are other groups that run no compromise lawsuits that support the entirety of the 2nd amendment beyond just guns. GOA, SAF, Knife Rights to name a few.

No offense but I’m pretty sure that’d be the position of Everytown, Moms demand action, The Democratic Party, and every other anti gun group in the US.

Sure their are other groups, and combine them all and you still want have 1/2 the influence of the NRA.

<*(((>< · Jul 3, 2019

DeepSouth said:
No offense but I’m pretty sure that’d be the position of Everytown, Moms demand action, The Democratic Party, and every other anti gun group in the US.

Sure their are other groups, and combine them all and you still want have 1/2 the influence of the NRA.

I agree, I don't like where the NRA is currently, but disbanding the NRA is not good for any gun owner. It needs to be overhauled and fast. As gun owners we don't want this "stinking fish" in the media this time next year for sure. The time to get a new administration, transparency and vision for the future of the NRA is now.

If the NRA's current state remains until next year it will be used to denigrate the organization.

The NRA does do a lot of good work, but the corruption at the top cannot stand; and if it does the NRA as we know it will be on a death spiral.

The Evangelist Cowboy · Jul 3, 2019

DeepSouth said:
No offense but I’m pretty sure that’d be the position of Everytown, Moms demand action, The Democratic Party, and every other anti gun group in the US.

Sure their are other groups, and combine them all and you still want have 1/2 the influence of the NRA.

No offense to you either, but it is the belief that only the NRA can do something that prohibits their members from going elsewhere. If your not supporting the GOA and SAF who are actually fighting then your just throwing away money to the NRA. The membership as well as the leadership is to blame.

bassjam · Jul 3, 2019

berettaprofessor said:
Yeah, and we Life Members can't affect it at all except that they won't see any NRA-ILA donations or "advanced" memberships from those who choose not to contribute what they normally would.

That's precisely the reason I never became a Life Member. I always figured once they have that lump sum from me, I have zero say in anything the NRA does.

doubleh · Jul 3, 2019

The Evangelist Cowboy said:
No offense to you either, but it is the belief that only the NRA can do something that prohibits their members from going elsewhere. If your not supporting the GOA and SAF who are actually fighting then your just throwing away money to the NRA. The membership as well as the leadership is to blame.

Do you have any information on what the GOA and SFA is doing to help our cause and on what they have won for us? I never, ever see anything in any news source about them. It's like they don't exist in the news.

AlexanderA · Jul 3, 2019

bassjam said:
That's precisely the reason I never became a Life Member. I always figured once they have that lump sum from me, I have zero say in anything the NRA does.

News flash: You have zero say anyway.

SharpDog · Jul 3, 2019

<sarcasm>It's a good thing we have a new NRA-bashing thread, it's been almost a day between them</sarcasm>

SharpDog · Jul 3, 2019

https://www.nra.org/nra_message/An_...m_Your_NRA_Leadership_and_Past_Presidents.pdf

SharpDog · Jul 3, 2019

The Evangelist Cowboy said:
No offense to you either, but it is the belief that only the NRA can do something that prohibits their members from going elsewhere. If your not supporting the GOA and SAF who are actually fighting then your just throwing away money to the NRA. The membership as well as the leadership is to blame.

https://www.ammoland.com/2019/01/what-does-the-nra-do-anyway/#axzz5sH7DxKfA

badkarmamib · Jul 3, 2019

doubleh said:
Do you have any information on what the GOA and SFA is doing to help our cause and on what they have won for us?

The SAF's website www.saf.org has a detailed list of the lawsuits they are currently fighting, and the ones that they have won. They seem to be the main group responsible for overturning bad legislation. More reactive than proactive, but still necessary.

IMHO, the GOA seems to be more of a piggy-backer, throwing their resources on NRA and SAF to help, after the fight has already started. Still helpful and useful, just not as prominent. I joined both this year, so I am by no means an expert, just did as much research as I could before I joined.

ATLDave · Jul 3, 2019

SharpDog said:
<sarcasm>It's a good thing we have a new NRA-bashing thread, it's been almost a day between them</sarcasm>

If I go to the doctor and he tells me to drop 40 pounds, is he bashing me? Or is he telling me to get my s*** together before a bunch of really bad things happen to me and everyone who depends on me?

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