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rfwobbly
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The only thing I can think of is ease of swapping primer sizes. The 650 has a fantastic feed system that's smooth and safe, but the conversion does take awhile.
Say you were loading 45ACP and you finished with all your large primer brass and were ready to work on small primer brass. On a 650 the shellplate has to come off, then you need to remove the primer tower and disassemble its merry-go-round. Finally you need to swap out the primer punch itself. Easily a 15 minute job. With the shuttle system all you do is swap the shuttle (or the punch in the shuttle) and you're finished in about 3 minutes.
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and the primer tube.
Just buy a second 650. One for small primers and the other for large.
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You really have to dilly dally to stretch it out to 15 min
5 min for me and I’m back into production
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What you guys are saying then, is that the dangerous primer system is an excuse.....and maybe economies of production is the reason?
A Dillon salesman said that one of the changes was that the 750 indexing shellplate rotates on a roller bearing. (Like some of the homemade fixes I've seen on the forums?) and it has a cam profile (??) that eases into the rotation slower and eases to the end of the rotation, to reduce powder spills.
According to him, the 650 has a sharper cam profile that caused powder spills in certain mostly filled cases. I wasn't aware there was any "camming" in the 650's rotation? Was there?
A Dillon salesman said that one of the changes was that the 750 indexing shellplate rotates on a roller bearing. (Like some of the homemade fixes I've seen on the forums?) and it has a cam profile (??) that eases into the rotation slower and eases to the end of the rotation, to reduce powder spills.
According to him, the 650 has a sharper cam profile that caused powder spills in certain mostly filled cases. I wasn't aware there was any "camming" in the 650's rotation? Was there?
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That would be a good thing for me.
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Well, I was at the Dillon site today.....every day its a little different. XL650 is flat out gone today. That was fast. That's so RCBS-like!
The case feeder today has been renamed, no longer named XL650 Case Feeder. Now it's the XL750/XL650 Case Feeder.....guess it's complete.
The case feeder today has been renamed, no longer named XL650 Case Feeder. Now it's the XL750/XL650 Case Feeder.....guess it's complete.
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LiveLife
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And Lee seemed to have addressed the same issue on the Auto Breech Lock Pro as well as the indexing to next station is smooth (compared to the snap of the Pro 1000) to reduce powder shaking out of the case (BTW, ABLP index adjustment is automatic
)I addressed this issue mostly on Pro 1000 by adjusting the index so the shell plate "just" arrives at station prior to shell plate carrier reaching the bottom of the ram lever stroke.
Since I feed bullets with my left hand, I usually have bullet being set on top of the case mouth as the case moves into station to be an issue.
Glad to see Dillon addressed the issue on 750, one of first things Dillon Tech told me when I called and inquired about the new 750.
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So for $6 bucks your 650 could run as smoothly as the new 750.
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But think about the "smart" thing Dillon is doing.
By using younger models in their publications, they are appealing/attracting new younger generation of "future" Dillon owners.
They know us old farts are already life-long loyal Dillon owners and will keep buying more Dillon products.
By using younger models in their publications, they are appealing/attracting new younger generation of "future" Dillon owners.
They know us old farts are already life-long loyal Dillon owners and will keep buying more Dillon products.
You just made my day with your comment.So for $6 bucks your 650 could run as smoothly as the new 750.
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Interesting reading from a UniqueTek email bulletin...
The New Dillon XL-750 Press
Features and Comparison to XL-650
As of about August 5th, the XL-650 press no longer appears on the Dillon Precision web site and the XL-750 has taken its place. But what is the difference and how will this affect your reloading bench?
The new Dillon XL-750 press does have several significant changes compared to the XL-650 press, but its basic operation hasn't really changed. It still has five Stations and each station still performs the same function. Here is a short list of the changes.
1) Primer System: The most obvious change is the primer system, which is based on, but not identical to, that of the RL?550 press. Indeed the primer bar is longer (4.75" versus 4.5" for the 550) and most parts cannot be interchanged between the two systems. One handy feature is that the Primer System is attached to the press via two studs and thumb nuts … so you don't need a hex wrench to remove it.
2) New Platform: Modifying the Platform Assembly was necessary due to the change of Primer System. But it looks like Dillon took advantage of the opportunity to make a few additional changes. The Index Pawl has been moved from Station 3 to Station 5 … requiring that the Index Ball be moved from between Stations 4&5 to between Stations 3&4. This design change places the Index Pawl ahead of the cam of the new Index Ring, so the plastic between is under compression instead of under tension during indexing … which should yield less breakage. The Indexer Ring is not interchangeable with the XL-650 Indexer Ring.
3) Rolling Wheel Index Block Assembly: The Index Block now features a Rolling Wheel that smooths shell plate indexing. Although it is a simple solid wheel and not an actual ball bearing, it should significantly smooth indexing. The new assembly also incorporates a spring loaded Platform Support Post. It appears that this Post has two functions; 1) It supports the platform from tilting due to the upward force of the primer punch, and 2) It helps return the platform to the neutral position after primer seating. The XL-750 Index Block assembly cannot be retrofitted to an XL-650, but a version that is XL-650 compatible is in the works.
4) Zerk Fittings on Linkage: The upper and lower Link Arm Shoulder Pins have Zerk fittings to make proper lubrication easy. Technically speaking, this isn't new as it was incorporated into the XL-650 a couple of years ago. But there are many of us with older XL-650 presses that may not have heard about it and aren't aware that, YES, it can be retrofitted onto older XL-650 presses. In fact, Dillon has it in kit form that includes everything you need for $51.95. **
What hasn't changed? Well, a LOT! The XL-750 uses many of the same parts and accessories as the XL-650, including...
• Dies
• Toolheads
• Caliber Conversion Kits
• Quick Change Kits
• Powder Measure
• Powder Check
• Strong Mount
• Bullet Tray
• Bullet Feeders
• Electric Case Feeder
• Low Powder Sensor
• Roller Handle
PS. If you want the "grease upgrade", then I can do that for $25 !!
The New Dillon XL-750 Press
Features and Comparison to XL-650
As of about August 5th, the XL-650 press no longer appears on the Dillon Precision web site and the XL-750 has taken its place. But what is the difference and how will this affect your reloading bench?
The new Dillon XL-750 press does have several significant changes compared to the XL-650 press, but its basic operation hasn't really changed. It still has five Stations and each station still performs the same function. Here is a short list of the changes.
1) Primer System: The most obvious change is the primer system, which is based on, but not identical to, that of the RL?550 press. Indeed the primer bar is longer (4.75" versus 4.5" for the 550) and most parts cannot be interchanged between the two systems. One handy feature is that the Primer System is attached to the press via two studs and thumb nuts … so you don't need a hex wrench to remove it.
2) New Platform: Modifying the Platform Assembly was necessary due to the change of Primer System. But it looks like Dillon took advantage of the opportunity to make a few additional changes. The Index Pawl has been moved from Station 3 to Station 5 … requiring that the Index Ball be moved from between Stations 4&5 to between Stations 3&4. This design change places the Index Pawl ahead of the cam of the new Index Ring, so the plastic between is under compression instead of under tension during indexing … which should yield less breakage. The Indexer Ring is not interchangeable with the XL-650 Indexer Ring.
3) Rolling Wheel Index Block Assembly: The Index Block now features a Rolling Wheel that smooths shell plate indexing. Although it is a simple solid wheel and not an actual ball bearing, it should significantly smooth indexing. The new assembly also incorporates a spring loaded Platform Support Post. It appears that this Post has two functions; 1) It supports the platform from tilting due to the upward force of the primer punch, and 2) It helps return the platform to the neutral position after primer seating. The XL-750 Index Block assembly cannot be retrofitted to an XL-650, but a version that is XL-650 compatible is in the works.
4) Zerk Fittings on Linkage: The upper and lower Link Arm Shoulder Pins have Zerk fittings to make proper lubrication easy. Technically speaking, this isn't new as it was incorporated into the XL-650 a couple of years ago. But there are many of us with older XL-650 presses that may not have heard about it and aren't aware that, YES, it can be retrofitted onto older XL-650 presses. In fact, Dillon has it in kit form that includes everything you need for $51.95. **
What hasn't changed? Well, a LOT! The XL-750 uses many of the same parts and accessories as the XL-650, including...
• Dies
• Toolheads
• Caliber Conversion Kits
• Quick Change Kits
• Powder Measure
• Powder Check
• Strong Mount
• Bullet Tray
• Bullet Feeders
• Electric Case Feeder
• Low Powder Sensor
• Roller Handle
PS. If you want the "grease upgrade", then I can do that for $25 !!
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Grease upgrade......I missed something!
Oh wait....the zerks! doh! Does that include shipping? Mind if I share this post with others? Will give credit where credit is due of course.
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jmorris - so you just have the NTA-815 needle bearing with two washers stacked on top? While my 650 doesn’t have the snap issues that others have, I do like how smoothly yours operates!
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Yep, that’s it, the rest is as Dillon sent it underneath.
The only other modification I have is the primer feed “switch”.
I do keep a magnet on the case feed drop tube retainer that catches any steel case and stops the collator for one that might have snuck by my sorting process but that’s not really a modification.
The only other modification I have is the primer feed “switch”.
I do keep a magnet on the case feed drop tube retainer that catches any steel case and stops the collator for one that might have snuck by my sorting process but that’s not really a modification.
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Oh, wait......there's more!
Below is a youtube video of the Dillon sales manager helping Will Renke put together the brand new XL750!
And not a word about exploding primers on the old 650. Interesting video.....and 90% old hat for a Dillon 650 owner. I noticed they have a new spring keeper on station one....not unlike those on RCBS Pro 2000's. The sales manager's explanation for the new primer system.....simplicity for users....operation-wise and caliber change-wise. Can't fault the Good P.R. explanation. Not one good reason to dwell on the past.
Onward and Upward .... enjoy!
Below is a youtube video of the Dillon sales manager helping Will Renke put together the brand new XL750!
And not a word about exploding primers on the old 650. Interesting video.....and 90% old hat for a Dillon 650 owner. I noticed they have a new spring keeper on station one....not unlike those on RCBS Pro 2000's. The sales manager's explanation for the new primer system.....simplicity for users....operation-wise and caliber change-wise. Can't fault the Good P.R. explanation. Not one good reason to dwell on the past.
Onward and Upward .... enjoy!
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I don't know about all this unreliable Dillon equipment. One gripe I hear is about the unreliable primer feed. When I had problems Dillon replaced the assembly exactly as it was on the press. I was asked what sized primers was in the feeder. Large pistol. Thanks what the sent me exactly. All the applicable parts were for large primers. Those parts replaced were over twenty years old. Parts were all worn out. That beats being told that my model is no longer supported with no spare parts etc etc. Also. it does not take long to clear a jam or change primer sizes. When was the last major change in the 650?
Those new female models Dillon uses look starved. My sense of what's attractive has become obsolete. Our model was Wonder Woman and are not in line with this new look.
There might be one or two on this site that NEEDS anything more than we already have.
I am sure if they stopped selling reloading stuff Or stopped making new models of anything we use, we could go
on for years & years.
Reloading has turned into the same deep pit as the AR modular platform.
New improved, faster, slicker, more accurate measurements, & colored like a new fishing lure.
I am sure if they stopped selling reloading stuff Or stopped making new models of anything we use, we could go
on for years & years.
Reloading has turned into the same deep pit as the AR modular platform.
New improved, faster, slicker, more accurate measurements, & colored like a new fishing lure.
LiveLife
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I ... WANT ... to ... buy ... more ... reloading ... equipment ... Must ... resist ... the ... urge ...
(Few minutes later ...)
Too late, I am human after all.
(Few minutes later ...)
Too late, I am human after all.
To us the reloading HOBBY to save $'s & make more accurate ammo has turned in some ways like each bullet now is $2.00 each
& the time we spend at $8.00 an hour we are into it DEEP, we seem to run it like the national debt.
Just like us Deer & Elk hunters that spend about $150 a pound for the meat.
I know that's a bit overboard, but in truth I dare say my extra reloading eq. rivals anyone here. Plus my oldest son has a complete collection
of reloading eq. without ever having to buy the first piece, seems he is funded out of Dad's surplus room.
My best advantage of this situation like similar others is that I let the rave or rage play itself out before I go after new stuff or
upgrades until I see how others react or complain about them.
In real life what could this item possibly achieve or produce or give me any benefit that I don't already have????
My wife just asked me---just now---Why don't you sell all that reloading equipment & buy a new house? I had to avoid
the answer, the stuff resells for about 25% of what you put in it.
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After 25 years of shooting/reloading, I am in over $170,000
... mostly on reloading components For my lifetime, cost of firearms and 12+ presses are small in comparison to cost of reloading components (Over 600,000 rounds and counting).But compared to our 4x4/dirt bike/quad/dune buggy/toy hauler hobby, shooting/reloading is cheap.
And whine to ocean fishermen about the cost of our hobby and they will laugh at shooters and 4x4ers and tell us how much they spent on Proline/Striper boats.
I spent more on a single Shimano Reel (TLD 20) and fish finders/GPS than I spent on some of my presses, includng Dillon 550/650. And I have many reels and two boats.
So take heart reloaders and enjoy our hobby/passion which is "relatively" cheap compared to many other hobbies.
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Using your scale, I should just order 4 750's 2 1050's and a couple of Mark 7's to go with my 2 progressives and 2 single stage presses and not bat an eye. I don't begrudge you one bit, but I'm more of a one hobby at a time guy. First it was guns and reloading, then fast cars, then motocross with a screaming 370cc Suzuki, then I grew up, slowed down......sold the bike and bought new guns and more reloading equipment. Sorta back to the beginning...full circle.
I only have so much energy.....when you build buildings for a living there's only so much energy and time left and I happily give my wife and kids most of that. I'm splurging having 4 presses. I don't feel guilty mind you ..... but I probably would .... if I used it more than I do.
I admit it, I'm weird......in quiet times, the tinkering is as fun as reloading and shooting for me. Don't need more hobbies, but grand kid spoiling was added anyway.....and I have to admit, that one is the most fullfilling of them all. I had a Shimano Reel once....a little one for Colorado Trout streams.....but only used it once a year.
I don't begrudge you one bit, but I'm more of a one hobby at a time guy. First it was guns and reloading, then fast cars, then motocross with a screaming 370cc Suzuki, then I grew up, slowed down......sold the bike and bought new guns and more reloading equipment. Sorta back to the beginning...full circle.I only have so much energy.....when you build buildings for a living there's only so much energy and time left and I happily give my wife and kids most of that. I'm splurging having 4 presses. I don't feel guilty mind you ..... but I probably would .... if I used it more than I do.
I admit it, I'm weird......in quiet times, the tinkering is as fun as reloading and shooting for me. Don't need more hobbies, but grand kid spoiling was added anyway.....and I have to admit, that one is the most fullfilling of them all. I had a Shimano Reel once....a little one for Colorado Trout streams.....but only used it once a year.
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