Dillon xl750 swageit void warranty?

[durachoke]

Does running a swager on a dillon xl750 void the warranty? I've seen posts regarding it doing so on the 650, however can't find a trustworthy word for the 750. Thanks for your help.

 

[Erief0g]

Something as important as lifetime coverage on my Dillon... I would call them and ask directly. No bs warranty should get a no bs answer.

Let us know what they say. I have my guess but that's all it is.

 

[durachoke]

I volunteer as tribute. Will report.

 

[jmorris]

Any damage to any part of the machine that results from the use of any non-Dillon parts on the machine will not be covered under warranty. This includes the primer pocket swaging tools, but does not specifically exclude any non-Dillon product. Most aftermarket products are rather benign, and won't result in damage to the machine

https://www.dillonprecision.com/voiding-warranty_350_10_3156.htm

They have presses that will swage, they all have back up rods to support the inside of the case as it is being swaged, so the load is NOT on the shell plate. The aftermarket ones that replace the primer seating system just shove the case against the shell plate. They don't do a very good job and yes, they void the warranty.

 

[durachoke]

Called Dillon, using an xl750/650 to swage with any of the kits out there DOES void your warranty.

 

[KY DAN]

https://www.dillonprecision.com/voiding-warranty_350_10_3156.htm

The have presses that will swage, they all have back up rods to support the inside of the case as it is being swaged, so the load is NOT on the shell plate. The aftermarket ones that replace the priming seating system just shove the case against the shell plate. They don't do a very good job and yes, they void the warranty.

Just wondering outloud, what if you had a die with a rod that provided a stop for the case? Would these bolt on swager be any better?

 

[jmorris]

Just wondering outloud, what if you had a die with a rod that provided a stop for the case? Would these bolt on swager be any better?

Absolutely. Problem is priming happens on the handle up (ram down) stroke of the 750 or as the ram is moving away from the dies. You need them to come together like the RCBS system for ss/turret presses.


But progressives often seat primers opposite of everything else.

So the rod(s) would need to be on the shell plate like the LNL setup.



But there goes any case feed, it is a manual process to load again.

A 1050 swages on the handle and tool head down stroke so the backup rod is pushing down on the case as the swager is coming up into the pocket.

 

[durachoke]

Anyone used the RCBS? I get a discount so it wouldn't be the worst thing financially, and I have the rockchucker too I can do it on. 1-2 thousand rounds of something with a crimp would be how painful?

 

[jmorris]

I have and have used a number of different methods for crimp removal. The 1050 and others with built in swager are fastest and least extra work, The Dillon SS is likely #2. The RCBS die and shell holder inserts don't work on all SS presses just right because the cup needs to sit somewhat flat as it is what pops the case off but it does switch from large to small quickly. Reamers and cutters also are quick for just a few. They can be hand held or powered by 1/4" drive tools.

 

[durachoke]

Is the rcbs depth and crimp controlled by your die adjustment or how hard you pull?

I have and have used a number of different methods for crimp removal. The 1050 and others with built in swager are fastest and least extra work, The Dillon SS is likely #2. The RCBS die and shell holder inserts don't work on all SS presses just right because the cup needs to sit somewhat flat as it is what pops the case off but it does switch from large to small quickly. Reamers and cutters also are quick for just a few. They can be hand held or powered by 1/4" drive tools.

 

[edwardware]

Is the rcbs depth and crimp controlled by your die adjustment or how hard you pull?

Once properly set, the depth of the swage is controlled by die position in the press, not force on the handle. That's why sorting by headstamp os important; head thickness varies between manufacturers.

 

[durachoke]

Do you need to sort out brass no matter the swaging process?

Once properly set, the depth of the swage is controlled by die position in the press, not force on the handle. That's why sorting by headstamp os important; head thickness varies between manufacturers.

 

[edwardware]

Do you need to sort out brass no matter the swaging process?

If you're reaming, probably not.

If you're swaging against a shell holder (bad idea) probably not but again, bad idea.

If you're swaging against the interior case head, you really do need to sort. They vary enough in thickness that some will be ruined, and other untouched by the swage button.

 

[durachoke]

I am not sure yet how frequently I’ll need to swage so I’m only trying to make a game plan on needed equipment in the near or hopefully distant future.

So I’d need to sort brass out if I used the rcbs method, and I’m guessing the Dillon super swage indexes off the inside as well and would need to be sorted?

I apologize for the 20 questions. I’ve only ever reloaded my own pistol brass or new rifle brass. Haven’t gotten deep into range brass and once fired, but given today’s prices I am definitely wading through that now.

If you're reaming, probably not.

If you're swaging against a shell holder (bad idea) probably not but again, bad idea.

If you're swaging against the interior case head, you really do need to sort. They vary enough in thickness that some will be ruined, and other untouched by the swage button.

 

[edwardware]

I am not sure yet how frequently I’ll need to swage so

Only once per case, so there's that.

 

[jmorris]

How many different head stamps do you have with crimped pockets?

 

[durachoke]

Don’t know. I’m running a bunch of new brass for my brothers and planning and picking up a few thousand once fired for myself to process.

That’s what I mean when I say I don’t know how frequently I’ll even come across this issue. I’ve got half a bucket of 9mm I need to process. Have only deprimed and have no clue whether I’ll find crimped primers there.

How many different head stamps do you have with crimped pockets?

 

[Todd NE WY]

I am in the same situation, I bought 1000 45 ACP and 1000 9 mm "once fired" so I know there are some crimped primers. I bought the frankfort arsenal station that has 4 threaded spots for brass processing and the hornady crimp removers, hopefully this will be relatively quick processing for the once it is needed.

 

[sevt_chevelle]

I have the Dillon Super Swage, do the rubber band modification and its super fast. I also dont sort by headstamps, you can get a feel for the crimp.

 

[durachoke]

Is the de crimping level controlled by the handle?

I have the Dillon Super Swage, do the rubber band modification and its super fast. I also dont sort by headstamps, you can get a feel for the crimp.

 

[Bat Rastard]

You might look at the Lee APP. I have de-swaged 2 buckets of brass through mine. It is what it is, but it works well.

Dillon's warranty is too good of a thing to void misusing their product

 

[sevt_chevelle]

Is the de crimping level controlled by the handle?

Yep, the support rod is adjustable. As you pull down on the handle the swage rod gets pushed into the support rod.
The Lee APP looks cools as you could hook up the Dillon case feeder to the Lee. The vids I watched on youtube of guys swaging didn't look promising though.

 

[durachoke]

I originally thought I’d go with the lee as I have the case feeder but I keep hearing not so great things. I’m hopeful by the time I’m actually needing and able to swage a bunch of brass they’ll have it more locked in.

 

[jlficken]

I have the Dillon Super Swage, do the rubber band modification and its super fast. I also dont sort by headstamps, you can get a feel for the crimp.

I do the same thing. It doesn't take long to get a feel for it.

You simply adjust it to Swage more than any case brand will actually take and go by feel.

I've done thousands of pieces of brass this way.