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Super gp100 availible in 9mm now
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I still have it and like it a lot. I haven't shot it much but need to drag it out soon, but I'm behind with all of my testing.
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MidRoad
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Looking forward to your thoughts on it and the 454 raging hunter aswell.
Just finished testing the Raging Hunter...very accurate I might add.
The same thing can be said of the S&W 929. The cylinder throats on the 929 are known to be .357" and if using lead bullets .355 will result in terrible accuracy. Use .357 or .358 and you're golden.
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Wow.... 1,550 bucks
- but - at least they through in three WHOLE moon clips!
Hellfire - there are manufacturers that give three MAGAZINES with a semi-auto. I should think at this rate Ruger would AT LEAST send along a dozen clips... even a half-dozen. What would that set them back - cost to them - 80-140 WHOLE cents?
It's little gestures like that and say, Kimber giving ONE DAMN MAGAZINE that get logged away ever and eternally in my little brain as a mark against them.
And don't tell me they are cheap to buy 'cause, I'll just say back that they are significantly cheaper for Ruger to offer a reasonable number.
Todd.
- but - at least they through in three WHOLE moon clips!Hellfire - there are manufacturers that give three MAGAZINES with a semi-auto. I should think at this rate Ruger would AT LEAST send along a dozen clips... even a half-dozen. What would that set them back - cost to them - 80-140 WHOLE cents?
It's little gestures like that and say, Kimber giving ONE DAMN MAGAZINE that get logged away ever and eternally in my little brain as a mark against them.
And don't tell me they are cheap to buy 'cause, I'll just say back that they are significantly cheaper for Ruger to offer a reasonable number.
Todd.
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How is accuracy questionable? Is this based on data you have? Please share. Thanks.
By the looks of the shortened cylinder that is heavily fluted to rempove excess material, Ruger apparently understands the advantage of minimizing rotational inertia.
With the barrel face closer to the mouth of the 9x19mm cartridge, there is less "jump" through an unrifled chamber throat before the bullet hits the forcing cone, but we know from many past Ruger 9mm conversions that this does not seem to have a significant effect one way or another.
With the barrel face closer to the mouth of the 9x19mm cartridge, there is less "jump" through an unrifled chamber throat before the bullet hits the forcing cone, but we know from many past Ruger 9mm conversions that this does not seem to have a significant effect one way or another.
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redbullitt
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I'd give it a go. Moon clipped shorty cylinders are fun stuff. Love my 625 45 acp with moon clips! It gets shot with clips mostly, but the 45 rimmed are fun too!
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Because the bore is usually sized for .357 bullets, not .355. The bullet isn't rattling down the bore or anything, but it's not getting a complete seal and that causes an inconsistent powder burn and pressure.
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Ruger sells those moon clips at $5 a pop too and it's not like the progressive die to stamp these out is super complex. I'm figuring it takes 5 seconds to make one moon clip. At that rate, they should be $1 a clip.Wow.... 1,550 bucks
Hellfire - there are manufacturers that give three MAGAZINES with a semi-auto. I should think at this rate Ruger would AT LEAST send along a dozen clips... even a half-dozen. What would that set them back - cost to them - 80-140 WHOLE cents?
It's little gestures like that and say, Kimber giving ONE DAMN MAGAZINE that get logged away ever and eternally in my little brain as a mark against them.
And don't tell me they are cheap to buy 'cause, I'll just say back that they are significantly cheaper for Ruger to offer a reasonable number.
Todd.
It's the size of the throats of the cylinders that matter. They should be larger in diameter then the bore. If not it turns that revolver into a jacketed bullet only revolver.
This revolver doesn't need to be that accurate, I believe ruger understands this by their choice of wording "11° target crown for competitive-level accuracy".
I'm looking forward to the reviews and hands on testing/ownership. Don't know if it has enough to give the s&w 929 a run for it's money.
What I didn't see anywhere was if the ruger is drilled & tapped for scope mounts??
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It looks like prices online are about $1,100 for the .357 and $1150 for the 9mm. Those are about inline with S&W offerings. I wonder why they went with such an inflated MSRP? That MSRP makes the new Colt Python look like a good deal
It's all marketing. Folks think they are getting a $1500 gun for $1100. Folks think it must be as good as a Python because it's MSRP is higher. Seems to be Ruger's strategy as of late. Go to their website and look at the MSRPs of all their revolvers. As high if not higher than comparable S&Ws. Then go to an online site and look at what the street price is compared to the street prices of those comparable S&Ws. Dealers don't sell guns for a loss. Street price is determined by dealer cost, supply and demand. That's not to say that Rugers aren't worth what you pay for them....only that they aren't worth what their MSRP is. Same can be said for many things.
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I know TK Custom is the OEM supplier for several S&W revolvers and I believe that are also for the moonclip fed Ruger revolvers but I might be wrong on that. If this is true the moonclips are not stampings, they are wire EDM. TK Custom creates a stack of material blanks and then wire EDMs the moonclips out of the stack of blanks. This make for very accurate and consistent moonclip, far more so than tradition stamping creates. I don't think any of the moonclip makers (Ranch, Revolver Supply etc) that utilize stampings have tooled up for the 8-shot Rugers.
If your serious about moonclip fed revolvers you will buy them in bulk and save some money. Ruger is definitely make some decent profit on them at $5 each but not exorbitantly so. Go price TK Custom.
walnut1704
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Somewhere in my past I saw a photo of a short-cylinder S&W 1955 Target in .45 ACP. It makes sense to reduce the "cylinder jump" i guess as long as that unsupported portion of the barrel can handle the pressure. In the Ruger that's a given but turning down a conventional barrel...I don't know...
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I've found that accuracy is load dependent. I have a Ruger Blackhawk with two cylinders. The bore slugs at 0.3577". It shows no preference for 38, 357 or 9mm factory ammo. They are equally accurate.
Handloaded 9mm ammo with .355 and .357 Sierra 125 grain JHP bullets with the same load has the .355 bullet produce the smallest group, 1.40", 24 shots, 25 yards. The .357 bullet group size was 1.65". Gun was fired from a Ransom Rest.
SAAMI barrel specs for the 9mm and the 357 are the same, groove diameter 0.355" + 0.004".
A smaller standard deviation in speed does not mean the smallest group - from the usual pistol at usual pistol distance.
https://americanhandgunner.com/handguns/exclusive-consistent-velocity-accuracy/
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For the 30yrs I've been buying Rugers, street price has always been 75-80% of MSRP. This is no different. The MSRP is higher because it's a custom shop gun, not regular production.
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I love Ranch Product moonclips for my 625 and 610. I did not have much luck with their 8-shot clips for my 627, but 38/357 is notoriously finicky. Revolver Supply seems to sit between the two as far as quality. For my 627 I am running Revolver Supply moonclips and Remington or Starline brass. The problem is I don't believe Ranch Products is offering 8-shot Ruger moonclips yet and I don't think S&W moonclips fit but I might be wrong in that second point.
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Not to derail the thread, but all the folks I know who have had Taurus products have never complained of their quality like you hear on the interweb. It’s as if those “stories of Taurus quality control” are just that - myths.
Sure, anyone can produce a lemon, but I see/hear good things about Taurus.
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Bought my first revolver back in 1972. 3 Screw Super Blackhawk in .44 mag. Iffin I remember correctly it cost me about $129. Don't remember what the MSRP was back then, but I know it was considerably less than a Model 29.....kinda why I bought the Blackhawk. One only has to go to Davidson's or Bud's or any other online gun seller and see that many revolvers from Ruger have a MSRP price higher than a comparable S&W....yet the selling price is always much less. Again.....just marketing strategy, even if it has been going on for 30 years. Nuttin' wrong with it, and apparently it has been working for Ruger all these years. Just is what it is.
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