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Don't personally own any Remington products, but I've been hearing about how their quality has drastically deteriorated over the years. And now they're probably headed for Chapter 11.

Out of curiosity, has anyone purchased a Remington firearms in, say, the last couple years that they've actually had no QC issues with?
 
1997: My first Remington was a 700 VS 223 with the HS precision stock, and will shot .5" groups with 50 grain Hornady Vmax reloads

2013: A good friend, seeing how my Remington shot, purchased a 700 5R in 223 and it shot terrible. Took it to a gunsmith and he found the lugs were not engaging properly, cleaned them up and put a new Bartlein on it. Using reloads, .3" groups are now typical.

2016: I purchased a 16" SPS Tactical in 223. The Xmark trigger is terrible compared to the old Walker but I was able to tune it for a reliable 2.75 lbs. It shoots .6" groups pretty consistently with 68/69 grain bullets.

2017: Another shooting friend likes to purchase low cost rifles to see what he can do with them. He picked up a 783 for $250 after rebate and was able to tune a load that was consistent sub MOA. That is when I decided to get one on the same rebate but mine keyholed bullets at 100 yards. Remington took it back and sent me a new one which shoots really well, also sub MOA.
 
I bought a used Remington R1 Limited double stack. Other than the normal short throat found on almost all 9mm pistols I haven't had any problems with it.
 
If you look hard enough, you will always find something wrong with anything.

Just like if you try hard enough to be offended, odds are you will be.

That said I bought a 2019 Marlin 444 used for dirt cheap. Shoots 1 1/4” groups but had a bit of the typical wood to metal fit issues as well as some rust on the barrel under the forend. For the money I paid these were small potatoes. I feel bad for whoever paid full price for it though.

Further reason why I don’t buy new.
 
My wife bought a new RM380 a while back. Seems well built, easy to take down. Once you get use to the trigger pull, it shoots accurate.
 
I had a RM 380 for a couple years. It was Avery good quality gun. The one gun that they had which was bad was the 9MM R51. They had to recall lol the first production. They reintroduced the gun, but it never became popular because of the first batch. I think Remington’s financial troubles stem from the Sandy Hook Family lawsuit(s), and the fact that they took the Bushmaster off the market after Sandy Hook. Couple that with a change of ownership to a seemingly uninterested company and the customer service declining to awful, and I think it is the perfect storm scenario.
 
The last Remington I bought was back in late 2016, it was a 30 Rem AR AR-15. I got it on closeout from an online distributor, for less than $650. I sourced a couple extra 4 round magazines and modified them to hold 5 rounds. Has been 100% reliable with anything I've fed it and accurate too.

Been offered some stupid money for it and I just can't part with it. I shoot it a few times a year then check scope zero and take it hunting...just hope it never breaks a proprietary part because it will be a paper weight then.
 
I believe in the last 4 years I've bought 4 model 700's, the last just last year. Had no problems and used them prairie dog shooting and they did quite well.
 
Bought my first 700 in 1985, 7mm RM. No problems whatsoever and the quality made me believe Remington had it going! Fast forward to 2018 I bought 2 700 SPS rifles in .22-250, one for me and one for my son. Kind of shoddy workmanship on these new rifles.

I returned mine to the factory because right off the bat it wouldn't eject shells cleanly. Like it was trying to eject the case before in got to the opening. When I sent it back, I also sent a spent case which showed a lot of scratches on it. The feed ramp was very rough and I asked them to clean it up which they did. I handload and don't want scratched up brass.

My son's has the same issues with brass. I am taking his to a local gunsmith rather than sending it back. Would I buy another 700? Maybe but not before I look at other brands first.
 
Have a Rem R51 (2nd Gen) and it’s great. Eats anything I put in it....I heard(on the internet, so it must be true) that they don’t like 115gr,,,,or steel case. Hmm, just shot 4 boxes of 115gr steel case. Not a single failure to feed. I like that it points very easily and seems to have less recoil, than even heavier guns.
 
My R1 1911 Limited I bought a month ago NIB for $499 is flawless in fit and finish and functioning.

The Remlin 1894 I bought a couple of years ago for $700 was a joke with everything from brittle screws, poor fit and finish, broken magazine tube follower from the factory, to functioning issues.
 
Sure, I bought an R1 double stack (during the short time they were available) and it's been great
 
a used 1187... 20 or more years old. R1S about 8 years ago, it did have a bad extractor, but otherwise was very nicely made. My 870 Express from 12 years ago was great... after fixing an extractor channel burr. Easy fix, but did jam the thing on the first shot. Not good for a HD shotgun. Replacement barrel I got for skeet 1 year later had a seriously sticky chamber, as have some other people I knows 870's. Leads me to think quality nosedived around 2009.
 
I purchased a 700 5R in 300 win mag and a Marlin 1894 in 45 colt. Quality on both was top notch. Showed them to my friend who does QC at the arms and he couldn’t find a problem.
 
I have owned 3 Remington firearms.

A model 673 .308 that I bought in 2004. It was an okay shooter but I hated the bolt throw. My beat up old Enfield had a smoother less rickety bolt throw. I sold it in 2016 to fund a Smith & Wesson revolver.

I had an R51 Gen 2. What a piece of excrement. It went back to the factory 3 times then they replaced it...with a refurbed Gen 1. :fire:

I had an RM380. Excellent little .380. I have big hands and never got along with the long trigger pull. But that little gun fired everything I fed it.

I decided to sell the R51 when I moved to California. No one wanted it even though it was off roster. As soon as it was realized it was a Gen 1 guys acted like it had herpes. I sweetened the pot by throwing in the RM380 and swung a deal on a Glock 26.

I really have no opinion on their bankruptcy except it’s a darn shame they, the people in charge now, drove the oldest American gunmaker into the dirt.
 
In the past five years or so I have bought several Remington handguns and rifles. For the most part they have worked very good for me but I am not afraid to wrench on my guns to make them what I want and as needed to make them run. ie my R1 Limited 40 needed the lead into the chamber de-burred and chamfered, the feed ramp polished, the bottom corner of the extractor smoothed, and the breach face de-burred to make it feed reliably. I did the work myself and it has been very reliable since, but it probably shouldn't have needed that as a new gun.

My rule of thumb is I don't put any money on the table till I have had a good chance to look them over, but that is true for almost all firearms on the current market, new or used, Remington or not.

The interesting thing will be whether or not Remington is going to be around in any such capacity to be able to offer parts and service. Depending out who buys them coming out of this second bankruptcy its going to be iffy for sure. That may or may not matter to you as you consider a Remington. Remington is hurting bad...

And just because its an excuse to post this picture.
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.380 MOA 5-shot group at 200 yards. The rifle started life as a Remington Magpul Hunter in 6mm Creedmoor and is about two years old. Shooting factory Barnes (part of Rem) ammo.
 
My dad bought a 770 in .308 a couple months back. It had a terrible burr in the chamber that destroyed brass. It stuck so bad, had to smack the bolt with a plastic deadblow hammer to get it open. Cleaned it up with a chainsaw file, and the gun is actually decently accurate. After 5 rounds the plastic cap on the bottom of the grip fell out. Glued it back on and back to shooting. I don't own any Remington products made in the last 30 years and have had no problems out of any of them.
 
yes. 1911 r1s. great 1911 for the price point. good accuracy, works well. was a great deal when they had the rebate in play while back and the lower price point than they are currently.
 
Don't personally own any Remington products, but I've been hearing about how their quality has drastically deteriorated over the years. And now they're probably headed for Chapter 11.

Out of curiosity, has anyone purchased a Remington firearms in, say, the last couple years that they've actually had no QC issues with?
Yes R1 is mint and shoots fantastic- just yesterday got a brand new spanking stainless 700 long action and it is mint- will be putting a barrel on next week- I'm sure they have had issues- but I have not seen it.
 
I also bought a 2nd gen R51 about a year ago but didn't include it because I did have to shorten the magazine follower legs a little bit before it was fully reliable with the advertised 7+1 capacity. Since that tweak it has been 100% reliable for at least 500-600 rounds, honestly I'm a tinkerer and didn't really mind (I rather expected it for this one) but it really isn't something one should have had to do on a new pistol. Especially not after the 1st gen R51 debacle....but I really wanted one so I took a chance. I would probably buy another one actually.
 
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