7.62x25

Well....Tokarevs are sorta, kinda modernish, I guess.....

Then of course, theres the Stetchkin- but it being full-auto (and made of solid unobtanium) might put a damper on things!

You want a Yugo M57. It's got a 9 round mag, better grip than a TT33, just as safe and reliable as a TT33, with one more round, and won't self-detonate like a CZ52. Great shooters.
Not to mention that a Stetchkin is in 9x18, not 7.62x25.

I think the CZ 52 was the last pistol designed for the 7.65x25, or at least the last one that actually went into production. By that time, the Russians were already dropping the cartridge for 9mm Mak in their pistols, and were getting rid of their submachine guns in favor of AKs. I wonder if anyone ever had a Thompson Center Contender barrel made for it?

jonnyc said:

You want a Yugo M57. It's got a 9 round mag, better grip than a TT33, just as safe and reliable as a TT33, with one more round, and won't self-detonate like a CZ52. Great shooters.
Not to mention that a Stetchkin is in 9x18, not 7.62x25.

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Oh ya, ever seen one?

Just kidding, your right, of course.

I've read the Stetchkin was originally designed in 7.65x25, but when released in 1951, was changed to 9x18 to match the Mak, also released that year, to standardize cartridges.

Yes, a modern pistol like a glock in 7.62x25 does appeal to me. Perhaps for a lot of money, one could convert a 10mm glock to x25 provided the magazine is long enough and you can modify it to work with the smaller diameter x25 case. Same for the slide and of course the custom barrel.
For a factory pistol, not likely happening anytime soon unless ruger or keltec want to take a chance.

Actually I am surprised Glock has never made and offered 7.62 P and 9 MAK pistols just so they could own the world....

of course the only countries using those cartridges Military and Police wise are not going to spend that kind of money.

Maybe one of our Canadian members has some experience with the Chinese Sig clones and can tell us about them.

-kBob

Google Dominion Arms P762 for info on Norinco made Sig 226 clone in 7.62 P in Canada.

-kBob

As long as we are dreaming, I want a low cost PS90 bull pup clone in 7.62x25, complete wit 50rd mag...and make it cheap!

barnetmill said:

Yes, a modern pistol like a glock in 7.62x25 does appeal to me. Perhaps for a lot of money, one could convert a 10mm glock to x25 provided the magazine is long enough and you can modify it to work with the smaller diameter x25 case. Same for the slide and of course the custom barrel.

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The barrel would be easy to make.

The 10mm magazine isn't long enough for full length 7.62x25 ammo, but they could be loaded shorter.

The Glock 10mm magazines don't always work reliably when converted for smaller diameter cases even when modified by the pros. https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/glock-conversion-9x23-winchester/99520

I have been saying this for years, Something with a rail and striker fired. I love the 762x25 round. A single shot would most likely.

I limit my 7.62x25 fixes to a brace of Toks and a CZ-52.
Otherwise I burn through too much ammo... .

Stetchkin's were never chambered in 7.62X25. The round is too long to fit in the frame, and for the same reason it cannot be used in a Hi-Power.

Jeff62 said:

matchgrademachine.com makes barrels to order.

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Damn you, now I have to go see if they will fit in a 38 super magazine.

jdh said:

Damn you, now I have to go see if they will fit in a 38 super magazine.

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You can get a few in a 1911 magazine, but they're too long to fit very many of them.

https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/converting-a-1911-to-7-62x25-tokarev/99440

How about a polymer framed broomhandle Mauser clone, complete with grip slotted for “wrist brace”/holster, and equipped for rmr.

amd6547 said:

How about a polymer framed broomhandle Mauser clone, complete with grip slotted for “wrist brace”/holster, and equipped for rmr.

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How about you just shoot 7.62X25 in your C-96? I've been doing it for years. And for just as many years the myth that tokarev ammo is too hot for a broomhandle has been floating around. Still waiting to see a box of tok ammo with a warning not to shoot it in a C-96. Today's commercial ammo has both rounds loaded to the same pressure.

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How about you just shoot 7.62X25 in your C-96? I've been doing it for years. And for just as many years the myth that tokarev ammo is too hot for a broomhandle has been floating around. Still waiting to see a box of tok ammo with a warning not to shoot it in a C-96. Today's commercial ammo has both rounds loaded to the same pressure.

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Have you measured the pressure of both rounds? Do you have pressure measurements from current factory ammo that show there are the same? Please show your data.

The article below found the 7.62X25 had more speed than the 7.63X25, which might indicate the Mauser round had lower pressure.
https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/converting-a-1911-to-7-62x25-tokarev/99440

The box should not require a warning. The rule of 'only shoot the ammo in a gun chambered for that round' should apply.

I've come across a few pages that had AR setups to convert to 7.62x25. Can always do an AR pistol.

I don't think there's any production pistol that would do what you want. You could potentially find a REALLY skilled custom pistol smith to machine a barrel from a barrel blank - or if you can find a suitable gun that has a .30 Luger barrel you could potentially have the chamber reamed out. Only thing is 7.62x25 is a rather long cartridge so even with a barrel most production pistols wouldn't correctly feed the ammunition.

IMHO unless you've got thousands of dollars to spend just to scratch this particular itch, then I wouldn't bother.

There was talk earlier this year about Zastava making a doublestack 7.62x25 pistol, but that's a rumor and rumors on internet forums are just that.

Ruger could modify their 5.7 pistol to work with 7.62x25 because the magazine has the length, but they're not going to do that because there is no demand for 762x25 beyond Tokarev pistols and Tokarev clones. The cartridge has long been praised as an excellent one for submachine guns due to its lower recoil, yet high velocity and with pistol braces being legal to shoulder now it would be a no-brainer, but again, there is no demand for the cartridge because it's not 9, 40, 45, or even 10mm.

The reality is that bottleneck pistol calibers are unpopular, no matter how good some of them may be and don't get me wrong, 7.62x25 is probably the best bottleneck pistol caliber out there with .32 NAA not far behind.

how about a Detonics for their .451 or the LAR Grizzly?

-kBob

I honestly don’t understand why we don’t have more guns chambered in 7.62x25 or 9x18. The ammo is available. I think it’s more of a reluctance on manufacturers to produce it.

Years ago, when magnum research was making their Kevin clones (micro eagles), I asked if they’d be doing a 9x18 version like the Czechs have. The answer was a solid “no.” Then why would I buy a heavyweight 380? An actual Kevin clone in 9x18 would have been one of the most powerful true pocket guns you could buy and would’ve had them eating into Rohrbaugh territory.

Similarly, a 7.62 double stack is easy. If Norinco makes a sig-clone in it, that means it takes a hi-power/Beretta/Sig/XD pattern mag. Copy that mag, build a gun around it.

Honestly, our best bet is to bug one of those Pakistani gun companies to make a gun in that caliber. They could probably deliver it at a $500 price point and it would sell well.