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In DC, Gillis v. U.S. 400 A.2d 311, 313 (D.C. 1979), is the ruling precedent. Quoted in Dawkins v U.S., 189 A.3d 223 (2018), "These means of disproving a self-defense claim are available to the government whether a defendant employs nondeadly force or deadly force. Supra note 14. But in the deadly force context, this court has acknowledged that a defendant's ability to retreat is a special consideration in assessing the viability of his self-defense claim.15 See Gillis v. United States, 400 A.2d 311, 313 (D.C. 1979). In Gillis, this court acknowledged the existence of a common law rule that required an individual who was “threatened with death or serious bodily harm ... to retreat, if it could be done safely, before using such force.” Id. at 312.

The Court continues,
"We noted that this “retreat to the wall” rule had been adopted by some states, but others (“probably the majority”) had rejected it and had adopted the contrary “American” rule that an individual confronted with death or serious bodily injury “is not required to retreat but may stand his ground and defend himself.” Id. We sought a “middle ground between the two extremes,” balancing a recognition “that, when faced with a real or apparent threat of serious bodily harm or death itself, the average person lacks the ability to reason in a restrained manner how best to save himself and whether it is safe to retreat” with a “call[ ] for some degree of restraint before inflicting serious or mortal injury upon another.” Id. at 313; see also Brown v. United States, 256 U.S. 335, 343-44, 41 S.Ct. 501, 65 L.Ed. 961 (1921) (explaining that the law of self-defense has evolved “in the direction of rules consistent with human nature” and that what “may seem to have been unnecessary when considered in cold blood,” may be reasonable “while the heat of the conflict was on, and if the defendant believed that he was fighting for his life”).

Accordingly, this court held in Gillis that a defendant's failure to retreat, instead using deadly force, is one factor the jury is “allow[ed]” to consider “together *233 with all the other circumstances” in determining if the government has disproved beyond a reasonable doubt that a defendant acted in self-defense. Gillis, 400 A.2d at 313; see also Carter v. United States, 475 A.2d 1118, 1124 n.1 (D.C. 1984) (“In the District of Columbia, it is recognized that when an individual is faced with a real or apparent threat of serious bodily harm or even death itself, there is no mandatory duty to retreat.”); accord Brown, 256 U.S. at 343, 41 S.Ct. 501 (holding that in a federal murder prosecution there is no duty to retreat and, instead, that “[r]ationally the failure to retreat is a circumstance to be considered with all the others in order to determine whether the defendant went farther than he was justified in doing; not a categorical proof of guilt”).16
11Gillis itself indicates that the jury's consideration of a defendant's ability to retreat is limited to the time when deadly force was employed. In that case we said the District's “middle ground” rule regarding consideration of a defendant's ability to retreat instead of using deadly force “permits the jury to determine if the defendant acted too hastily, was too quick to pull the trigger.” See Gillis, 400 A.2d at 313. Thus we linked the consideration of retreat to the moment the defendant used deadly force. Our self-defense cases subsequent to Gillis likewise indicate that the fact-finder must focus on the defendant's assessment of his circumstances “at the time of the incident,” i.e., at the time deadly force was employed. See Ewell, 72 A.3d at 131;17 see also Richardson v. United States, 98 A.3d at 187 (focusing on the time of the stabbing).

The language of Smith v. U.S., 686 A.2d 537 (1997), interprets the "castle doctrine" in obiter dictum (extraneous reasoning not relevant to the case at hand but useful in determining the court's thinking on the matter." Two other cases where appellants raised the castle doctrine issue in DC were decided on other grounds--one denied application to the castle doctrine for co-occupants, the other dealt with curtilege around the home which the DC court rejected.

You can read the pattern jury instructions (9503) from DC here
https://lawofselfdefense.com/jury-i...no-duty-to-retreat-before-using-deadly-force/
"The law does not require a person to retreat or consider retreating when s/he actually and reasonably believes that s/he is in danger of death or serious bodily harm and that deadly force is necessary to repel that danger. But the law does say that a person should take reasonable steps, such as stepping back or walking away, to avoid the necessity of taking a human life, so long as those steps are consistent with the person’s own safety. In deciding whether [name of defendant] acted reasonably, you should therefore consider whether s/he could have taken those steps, consistent with his/her own safety."

And a condensed version from the DC government's document for firearm permit trainers here,
https://mpdc.dc.gov/sites/default/f...s/District Law Pertaining to Self Defense.pdf
 
While technically, this thread was dealing with home carry as a tactic, I posted the exceptions of Vermont and DC as examples of how castle doctrines may be interpreted quite differently in different jurisdictions. In the case of Vermont, we are dealing with a state with a historically low homicide rate and thus little pressure on the state legislature to codify self defense laws. Thus, one is dealing with common law which is a very complex situation as it requires interpretation of court cases that can often be quite old.

The case of DC is also interesting in that DC courts have not specifically ruled out a Castle Doctrine (although it appears that curtilege does not come under its protection) in the home but still will allow prosecutors to claim as part of reasonability of using lethal force, that one could have retreated in their presentation to the jury. My too long legal discourse that I deleted also included the distinction in English Common law from Blackstone's Commentaries, Book 4, Chapter 14, between justifiable and excusable homicide. A good summary of that discussion is https://www.pagunblog.com/2009/11/20/duty-to-retreat-in-common-law/
Blackstone's Commentaries are found here,
https://lonang.com/library/reference/blackstone-commentaries-law-england/bla-414/
 
Brand new example of good reason for home carry, or at least keeping gun close at home, YouTube of news report with Ring video of home intruders breaking in then running out as homeowner fires on them. Gunshots heard but not seen.
Video: Neptune Beach resident shoots at 3 armed robbers, police say
Apr 15, 2020
One shot, apprehended at hospital, Two still at large.
 
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That's a scary one, to be sure.

Consider how little time elapsed between the first noise at the door and the entry of the perps.

Consider reaction time--the time from first awareness of the noise through the time needed for a cognitive evaluation of what was happening to the time of a decision to act.

Add to that the time needed to access the firearm and to use it.

I certainly wouldn't want to have needed to get to a gun that was kept near the door, or in a room in the back.

No sirree.
 
If a barking GSD and his Bullmastiff sidekick are not sufficient deterrent...
I wouldn't have to "go get" a pistol if someone was trying to break into the house.
 
Locks keep honest people honest.

Cameras don't prevent anything. They are there so the cops have pictures of who they are looking for.

Alarms remind burglars they need to hurry up and get gone.

Your hope is that this stuff diverts the bad guys to easier targets, but don't think that any of it will really keep anyone out if they want in bad enough.

After having been a Regional MGR for a major Alarm Company and starting from the ground floor up decades ago and a clientele of Residential, Industrial, and Commercial applications. I would have to say that I will disagree with your knowledge of CCTV and Alarms.
And I will agree with Efferwitz and if you do nothing else lock your doors. And NEVER EVER open the door to someone you do not know.
By the way, the most common entry by a burglar is the FRONT door. And the vast majority of break in's happen during the day. As when you are not home. And it does not take much to nutralize most dogs. A couple of Dog Treats with Poison is simple. I have seen it many times. And one of the most dangerous times is when you come home and a Burglar is already in your house. And possibly with one of your own guns.
The Goal is not to have a confrontation with a Burglar. Get a Alarm and CCTV.
 
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I don't know that from personally conducted legal research. I'm relying on the advice of Andrew Branca, author of The Law of Self Defense. According to Branca, every state has castle doctrine. Note that castle doctrine does one thing only which is to relieve the homeowner of the obligation to retreat from an intruder even if that would be required outside the home. It says nothing about the other criteria for self defense -- innocence, imminence, proportionality and reasonableness. The variation from state to state is how much property is covered by castle doctrine. At its most restrictive, it includes only the living areas of your home. It might not include an attached garage let alone another building on your property.

I'm sorry it took so long to answer. The reason I asked the question is because I seem to remember a member stating that he lived in a state with a duty to retreat in your home. I can't find any citations to back it up though.
 
My home is a 720 square foot apartment. We have one door that is always locked when not in use and any time both of us are home or I'm at work it's braced. We had a similar brace on a door when we owned a house. The door got kicked in but the guy that did it literally had to kick the door out of the frame. I'm not concerned in the least about someone kicking my down by surprise. The door also opens on an empty hallway with no where to hide. I'm not concerned about anyone bum rushing the door. I'm not saying those aren't legitimate concerns I'm merely saying they don't apply to my situation.

We also live on the second floor with no balcony and we keep our windows closed unless we're actually in the room. I won't say it's impossible but I can't imagine anyone coming in through our windows especially when we have neighbors on the first floor who leave their windows wide open all night. I've seen the kind of people who wander this complex at night. You wouldn't catch me dead with my ground floor windows open.

I will agree with Efferwitz and if you do nothing else lock your doors. And NEVER EVER open the door to someone you do not know.

I will never understand why this causes so much contention. I don't open my door until I'm certain who is on the other side of it. Every time I post that I get an argument from some member and they usually tell me I'm "living in fear" or that if I don't feel confident just opening my door I should move. I also don't understand the point of answering the door with gun in your hand but not identifying the person knocking.

I don't wear street clothes while I'm at home. Usually my gun is on the coffee table right in front of me. If I move it moves. If someone knocks it goes to the door with me. If you know me well enough for me to open the door the fact that I'm armed isn't going to surprise you.

Unless I'm going somewhere where I can't even have a gun in my car (Ft. Carson) I don't leave my home unarmed.

 
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Attached is an article from TTAG and a video of a home invasion that took place in a Chicago suburb with a low crime rate. I live in a suburb about 20 minutes from this which also has a low crime rate, but we've had break ins on our block. For a while I felt as if I was being paranoid carrying at home, but feeling that way has long since passed.

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/h...ks-wrong-house-in-arlington-heights-il-video/

One thing I've heard before, I believe on a Massad Ayoob video, was "If they come during the day they want your things, if they come at night they want you."
That being said, compared to many on this thread I would be considered less prepared for a home invasion due to the fact that I rarely carry in the house unless I just returned home from being out or am preparing to go out or to the hunting club. A Mossberg 500 rests under my bed at all times unless I'm maintaining it and I typically have a handgun lying around that is ready for use at a moment's notice.
 
If you fear being broken into then you haven't done your home work. A secure home need not look like a prison. But multilayered defenses make your home undesirable to thieves. Simple things like some nice and highly decorative plants with BIG thorns below vulnerable windows. Good lighting at night just a camera or two in plain sight. There are many other very subtle ways to prevent anyone from entering your home without giving you plenty of warning.

Prudent options, but the two relstively recent daytime home invasions in my area (one 10 miles from my sleepy, safe, rural, home) were desperate meth heads looking for cash and sellables. None of those things would have bothered them since they kicked down some doors mid morning in occupied homes.

I recall my wife hearing about it on the news, suspect at large, and called me to ask if I was packing (as I was walking our kid in the stroller) and, of course, I had a Glock 17 on me, "yes hun, I'm armed, don't worry".

+1 to this! Greg Ellifritz has written about this at length. The stats from his agency indicate that in something like 2/3 of all robberies the thief gained access through an unlocked door!o_O Anyone who carried a gun in the shower yet doesn't lock the damn door is nuts!:rofl:

I grew up in a small town where nobody locked their doors and didn't develop the habit until I moved to rural Alaska. Not because of crime but because drunk natives would often forget which house was which (or not realize the previous tenant had moved, it was a very transient population) and wandered in at night. It was almost a rite of passage around the hospital to have that encounter your first year unless you locked up.

We generally left our trucks unlocked, partially because power locks and extreme cold sometimes didn't mix very well, but also because our neighbor got locked out of his house from time to time and slept in our trucks. He never took anything and it got cold up there so what the, heck, no big deal.

For home security, to shift the subject back, my new dog I thought was going to be a 60-80ish lb lab/hound mix must have some Dane in him, he's tracking to be 100+ easy. Combined with the hyper aware and territorial Collie, it'll be a potent pair around the property for some years.
 
That's not far from me either. Same here, I live in a very low crime area but my next door neighbors house was robbed a few years ago. If I'm wearing jeans, I'm armed. In my pajamas, I probably don't have a gun on my body but could get one in a matter of seconds.
I think folks who can have a dog should buy one, even a little yipper will keep an eye out pretty well. A 100+ pound family "wolf" can give motivated criminals reason to change their mind.
Being prepared isn't the same as being paranoid .
Well, have a Glock 19X on my belt anytime that I am up, next to the bed otherwise. 3 Pit Bulls (105#, 75#, 65#), 2 ChiChihua (8# each) and 2 cats sleep with us. Outside lighting all 4 sides, camera on the driveway.
Work from home. Very low crime area, city hall and fire department within 1/4 mile.
 
I've said before; 100% of home invasions occur at home. Your choice for preparedness.
I had a dinner guest over once who was, while not exactly strongly anti-gun, definitely not a gun rights supporter. At one point in the evening he spotted mine and asked why I carried a gun in the house, and I gave him exactly that response.

Now he has a CCW and carries everywhere, including at home. Funny, that literally was the entirety of our conversation on the subject.
 
Heard a story from my brother in law. A family had a massive arsenal and thieves overheard one of their friends talking about it while out to dinner.

An armed intrusion resulted in the loss of the arsenal.

Some of my friends know I have a bunch of guns, BUT NONE OF THEM HAVE SEEN THE ENTIRE COLLECTION!!!

Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead. Sometimes it pays not to advertise.
 
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