Re-thinking home carry...

[ilbob]

I often wonder about home invasion stories. Like, what percentage involve some other factor, like drug use/sales and/or other criminal activity

My guess is that virtually all of the cases where more than 2 BGs go after a single home involves some other factors. My reasoning is that the take from a typical home invasion is pretty low and the risk pretty high. Splitting the take with more than one other guy makes the risk/reward ratio kind of low. There is also the rat risk as you add more BGs to the mix.

While I know nothing about the incident you mentioned, my guess is that there is more than a simple home invasion going on there.

I think you should focus on hardening your home to discourage the BGs first. It is much safer to keep them out then to deal with them once they get in, no matter what weapons you have available.

 

[James T Thomas]

delicate surgery

Hey Biker:

With reference to your post #17.
What field of medical specialty would you find a mohel -ologist working in?

 

[Biker]

James...Ya got me

Ya got me, Bro.

Biker

 

[azredhawk44]

I've been breaking in a cartridge belt and holster for my Redhawk over the last couple weeks at home. Oil it every other night, wipe it down, let it soak for a bit and then wear it around the house. The creak of new leather gets quieter and quieter as the process goes on, and I'm heeled with some pretty formidable firepower if someone does decide to come a-knockin' who ain't got no business to do so.

Usually it's a 5-shot snub sp101 though.

 

[James T Thomas]

stab at humor

Biker:

You're going to have to excuse me. I was in a frivolous mood.
"Rocket Surgery:" A "mohel" is a Jewish, medically trained ritual practitioner who performs the Bris or circumcision custom on male children.
When I saw your gaff, it occured to me that...

Well, you meant rocket science, didn't you, or have I missed it entirely?

 

[Biker]

Gotcha James...no, I meant rocket surgery. It was my attempt at humor. I did learn something I didn't know, though. Thanks man.

Biker

 

[748]

"Yelling won't help, gunshots probably won't bring aid unless there are a LOT of gunshots."
Welcome to my hood....

 

[Clipper]

I'd be willing to bet my next pension check that if six guys kicked in my front door, and I double-tap one of 'em, the other five would trample each other half to death in retreat. These are lowlife punks, not marines on an invasion beach...

 

[Geno]

For my part, I find comfort in my Glock 19C for its extraordinarily fast follow-up shots, and loaded with G17 magazines full of +P+ ammo. No fool(s) who break in will fail to "duck-and-cover" when more than 84 rounds are burning their way. That gives me time to get to the 12 gauge or one of the ARs.

But, when defense comes down to a desire to put the most lead on-target, no other weapon (save for full-auto) beats a 12 gauge with buckshot. The following document is an extraordinary piece! I consider it a must-read for understanding the allegation of one-shot stops, etc. Check out these graphics of ballistic and wound cavitation (3/4th down page):

http://www.firearmstactical.com/wound.htm

One fact that people need to accept, and prepare for is that body-to-body contact will almost certainly happen! As our Tactical and Advanced Tactical Shoooting instructor taught us, if the perp is within 43 feet, and has a knife, unless you fire w/o hesitation, that person will reach you, and poke you! Period! Read the afiorementioned publication (research). Read the blood-lose research! At and absolute minimum, it take over 4 seconds to bleed-out, and that almost never happens. How long does it take to cross the room in which the encounter occurs. (Go time yourself). Most people can cross a gymnasium in 4 seconds, let a lone a livingroom! The only shot that will net immediate incapacitation is central nervous system, and you would be firing at a moving, ducking-and-covering target, and yeah, and one that's shooting back?

Doc2005

 

[Clipper]

Anyone in a shooting situation of any kind should be prepared to be shot or stabbed before it's over, and to do their thing in spite of injury, and to maintain focus until the threat is neutralized... Then they can feel free to freak out...

 

[Alphazulu6]

-House Alarm
-Dog
-12 gauge

Exactly. 8 shots from a 12 gauge Remington 700/1100 is more firepower than you would ever need. Time is something that needs to be on your side so that alarm and/or dog will definitely give you that. Taking away the element of surprise a BG has in your own domain puts the 20/80 in your favor not theirs.

 

[ArfinGreebly]

Thoughts From pax

After reading the posts here, and after re-reading something I found on pax's site, I think I will subtly alter the language of "home carry" thus:

Rather than "carry" at home, I do believe I will "wear" at home.

I know, it sounds like a "fine point" but if you're wearing your gun -- think "article of clothing" -- there won't be the temptation to take it off and leave it "handy" on a table or desk "over there where I can get to it quickly."

The point has been made that "over there" is too far away.

I agree.

So I do believe I will "wear" rather than "carry."

Sorry if that's overly subtle or picky.

 

[AStone]

So I do believe I will "wear" rather than "carry."

Sorry if that's overly subtle or picky.

I think it's right on, Arf.
Subtle perhaps, but important.

I'll illustrate with a different tool: backpacks.

This is slightly OT for this thread, and I'm not trying to hijack, but hopefully it'll serve to illustrate your point.

Decades ago, when I was first taking up backpacking, I read the late Collin Fletcher's The Complete Walker, widely acknowledged as the "bible" of backpacking. (Fletcher died last month at 85.)

In the earlier edition that I read (haven't read the newer ones), he made a strong endorsement of Gregory backpacks, stating that "you don't carry a Gregory, you wear it". The reference was to pack design, which was (and still is) superb.

I bought a Gregory. (An Atlas, an expedition pack no longer in production.)

Indeed, once I learned how to pack it effectively, and adjust the straps,
then regardless of the weight, I feel like I'm wearing it, not carrying it.
It fits my body so well as to become an extension of me.

They still set the bar for backpack design, IMO.

I'm soon going to purchase a second Gregory: their Baltoro, which is slightly smaller and lighter than the Atlas, suitable for short overnight trips that I do more of these days than expedition packing. I tried one on recently. Fits like a glove, distributes weight remarkably well.

Finally, to get back to "home carry", when I'm in wilderness backpacking, I am literally carrying my home.
Not my main home, perhaps, but as a semi-nomad, home is where I hang my hat.

Nem

 

[FLA2760]

Carry the Glock 27 around house. Mossberg 12 ga never too far away.

 

[JohnKSa]

I'd be willing to bet my next pension check that if six guys kicked in my front door...

This is what gets me about this topic.

People talk like they realize the implications of being unsuccessful in repelling a home invasion but a statement like this makes it clear that it's just not quite getting from the head to the gut.

The unpleasant reality is that your pension check isn't even worth mentioning compared to what you're REALLY betting.

As far as your assertion, I agree that most criminals would rather live than fight. But most is not all, and there are some who are equipped and determined to succeed. Fortunately that doesn't happen too often.

 

[MIL-DOT]

" When I saw your gaff, it occured to me that...

Well, you meant rocket science, didn't you, or have I missed it entirely? "

missed it entirely. i busted out laughing when i read that ( good one,biker! ) in fact i got up and called my brother knowing he'd not only find it funny as i did, but get it right off the bat !! ( rocket science meets brain surgery DOH !! ) just kidding around here, not being malicious (sp?) .
anyway,more to the point, i often walk around the house in shorts with no shirt,no shoes, and my trusty gen 1 glock sticking out of the pocket. recent local home invasions have stopped familial inquiries as to why.
scary planet gettin' scarier.

 

[KingHugh]

Well, T, as I see it you have 2 choices.

Deal with the first 5, and then take the last one hand to hand.

or

Sell me that crappy little 5 shot for $50 and go get a bigger gun.

 

[Battlespace]

Had a knock at the door at 11:15 last night. I was sleeping, but wife and kids were up working on Bible School lessons for today. My 15 YO daughter came in and got me, saying someone was at the door. I simply pickup my M1911A1 and held it at my side as I headed for the door. Side lights on the door let me see out as the lights outside were on, but in the front hall they were off. A nice looking young lady (I am 57+ and she looked to be about 35-40 to give you some perspective) was standing there with a pad of paper and pen. I cracked the door enough shine the Surefire into her eyes. She stepped back and said she was selling something. I told her to get the he!! off the property and needless to say she did so immediately. I waited about 10 minutes and then went out and checked out cars, lawn furniture, etc. All was fine.

I normally do not carry around the house, but am now considering changing that.

 

[Geno]

I agree Re: Pax's idea...your pistol is as-important-as a piece of clothing, and one which should never be left. I would no more set down my pistol and walk away, than what I would walk away without my pants. I, my pants and my pistol are one. Where one goes all go.

Doc2005

 

[TonyB]

KH......just 'cause you bought a glock now,don't go judging.......

 

[answerguy]

if six scum bags are in your home, there are many security issues to re-think.

With a 5 shooter and 6 bad guys you might have to ask a couple of the guys to kindly line up, that you are low on bullets.

 

[gunmetal]

We just had this same conversation on TFL.

My thoughts on the subject.

 

[FLA2760]

Biker said: It's all in the mindset: You have a 5 round revolver and your house is invaded by 6 men...you're gonna have to pistol-whup one of 'em to death.
It ain't rocket surgery.

LOl Better make sure that snubby is a steel version!

 

[GlenJ]

If your serious about home defense then a shotgun is the way to go. I carry a GLOCK 26 or Kel-Tec P3AT because there CARRY guns. Why limit your self in your home? If the home invader(s) have a pistol(s) then your out gunning them. If they have a shotty and you don't, your out gunned in your own home.

 

[sm]

Textbook versus Reality

Textbooks do not always prepare one for the Real World.

It does not matter if one is the Good Guy or the Bad Guy, whatever one reads or is told, does not always work in Real Life.

GG's and BG's are both Guilty of Parroting information they have NO real life experience with.
Both are guilty of so wanting to be matriculated into a "community".

GG's and BG's are also Guilty of what some call the "EGO Loop".
Teachers need students and students need teachers in order to perpetuate the rationale of the Teacher-Student Relationship.

Oh, there is that money part, that goes along with bragging rights.
GG's and BG's both do it.


Re-thinking home carry...

GG's and BG's both wrestle with this problem in regard to home invasions.